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In article <35e18082.1903959@news.gv.net>, Jim Weir <jim@rst-engr.com> writes > >->Summary >->^^^^^^^ >->In reconfigurable hardware, the behaviours and interconnections of the >->constituent electronic primitives can be repeatedly changed. Artificial >->evolution can automatically derive a configuration causing the system to >->exhibit a pre-specified desired behaviour. A circuit's evolutionary > >Oh BOY. If the summary is this readable, I just can't WAIT to curl up with >this sucker some cold evening when I can't sleep. {;-) > >Jim Yes. I want to know whether this evolution proceeds only by random mutations or has electronic sex been developed? -- Regards, John Woodgate, Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. OOO - Own Opinions Only. You can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't please some of the people any of the time.Article: 11576
"K. Tyler" <tylereng@pacbell.net> wrote: >AbdulraHman Lomax wrote: > >> I've spent a *lot* more money on routers and gotten much worse than >> Route 98. Yes, it may not do blind vias (I haven't actually checked.) >> But, then again, I've never used a blind via and don't plan to in the >> near future: why raise my customers fab cost? >> >> AbdulraHman Lomax > > Are you saying Blind vias or intended to say Buried vias ? > >K.Tyler That's easy to answer. Both, but I only mentioned one. Some, but not necessarily all, of my comments apply to both. Because of layer setup, there may be a difference between blind and buried vias in terms of cost and practicality, but, as I said, I haven't used them (either of them, to be clear), so don't ask *me*. AbdulraHman Lomax marjan@vom.com P.O. Box 423 Sonoma, CA 95476 USAArticle: 11577
Hi all, does anyone know where I might find an implementation of the ZSA-algorithm (in C or C++)? It is not meant for commercial purposes, only for my PhD-research. Thanks, Joni -- Department of Electronics and Information Systems, Faculty of Applied Sciences, University of Ghent, St. Pietersnieuwstraat 41, B-9000 Ghent, Belgium 99999 work phone: +32-9-264.34.09 9 o - 9 email: jdambre@elis.rug.ac.be 9 | 9 \_/Article: 11578
Cm Heong wrote: > Anyone knows how I can get a copy of Paul Donach's PhD thesis? > > The 1996 URL posted here http://www.cs.qub.ac.uk/~P.Donachy/thesis/ no > longer works. Cm Heong, I just checked that link and it seems to work just dandy!! DonallArticle: 11579
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 03:01:01 GMT, jcvilleneuve@hotmail.com wrote: > > >Hello there!!! > >Is anybody has used something else than a PROM for the configuration cycle of >their FPGA (example direct CPU to fpga)? > I've configured a Lucent ORCA device from a microcontroller. It was pretty simple using the "Asynchronous Peripheral" configuration mode - the FPGA just looks like another memory location. I think the Xilinx parts have a similar configuration mode. No particular problems with the bitstream format either. Could handle tool generated PROM file stored in ROM. I also included the facility to transfer the bitstream via a serial link to the micro, which wrote the bytes to the FPGA. Bitstream data came from an ASCII file, generated by the ORCA tools, containing the '1's and '0's. (They called it a "rawbit" file. Hope this helps. Dave. -- REMOVE "spammenot." in address to reply Dave Storrar Development Engineer | e-mail: david.storrar@gecm.com GEC-Marconi Avionics | Tel: +44 (0)131 343 4484 RCS | Fax: +44 (0)131 343 4091Article: 11580
I am new to to world of FPGA and would like to now which vendor to choose. We have Actel, Altera, Xilinx, Lucent ... and many more. Can anyone please tell me which one is the cheapest, the "best"? Sincerely RezaArticle: 11581
Which pc-based synthesis tool is the best on the market. I have heard of Synplify; is that a good tool or should I go for Leonardo or are there other good tools?Article: 11582
Why no valid return adress ??? If sending them 10.000 messages that we aren't interesated in their services, do you think they will sue -U-S- for spamming? Don't forget that the 'normal' reaction of many of us is to reply with some nasty remarks or not at all. These 'businesspersons' (politically correct ;) ) don't READ the mail. It's just good for OUR soul to bother writing them our opinion. The problem they get is the MASS of data they receive from us. It makes providers cranky! Don't worry that they bother writing back 2 U. guenter ro wrote: > do you know how to create a batch file in win95 to flood their email without > having the return e-mail address on the message? > > ac@cd.com wrote in message <35dabad8.7932740@news.dial.pipex.com>... > <SNIP> > > > >Digital Illusions > >590 Centerville Road Suite 288 > >Lancaster, PA 17601 > >US > >(+1) 717 898 1443 >Article: 11583
Why no valid return adress ??? If sending them 10.000 messages that we aren't interesated in their services, do you think they will sue -U-S- for spamming? Don't forget that the 'normal' reaction of many of us is to reply with some nasty remarks or not at all. These 'businesspersons' (politically correct ;) ) don't READ the mail. It's just good for OUR soul to bother writing them our opinion. The problem they get is the MASS of data they receive from us. It makes providers cranky! Don't worry that they bother writing back 2 U. guenter ro wrote: > do you know how to create a batch file in win95 to flood their email without > having the return e-mail address on the message? > > ac@cd.com wrote in message <35dabad8.7932740@news.dial.pipex.com>... > <SNIP> > > > >Digital Illusions > >590 Centerville Road Suite 288 > >Lancaster, PA 17601 > >US > >(+1) 717 898 1443 >Article: 11584
jcvilleneuve@hotmail.com wrote: > Is anybody has used something else than a PROM for the configuration cycle of > their FPGA (example direct CPU to fpga)? I use a 1MHz serial link to configure remote (~7meters) FPGAs. A 22V10 GAL is used to extract configuration bits and control FPGA reset/load. After the FPGA is configured, the serial link becomes a bi-directional control/status link to read/write registers inside the FPGA. I have an ISA board with 8 serial links that can control 8 remote modules at a time. This is just a prototype for a more general control/status network that will eventually control ~6,000 devices (FPGA, DSP) and use USB and cheap microcontrollers for distributing and storing configuration information. See: http://www-ese.fnal.gov/eseproj/trigger/prototype/sumac.pdfArticle: 11585
Guenter Strubinsky <gxstrubi@essvote.com> writes: > bother writing them our opinion. The problem they get is the MASS of > data they receive from us. It makes providers cranky! Don't worry that > they bother writing back 2 U. Two good reasons why this is a Bad Idea: 1) It is not very hard to fake addresses. Many spam mails don't have a valid address anyway, or an address pointing to an innocent third party. 2) The provider of the jerks doing this have many other customers. They should not suffer from misdirected attacks by clueless persons. There is one correct way of dealing with spam (Mail to the responsible usenet or abuse account). If you don't know how to find which account that is, don't try to be smart. If the amount of traffic really bothers you, contact your local newsmaster. He should know to deal with this. Followup-to set to poster. GeirArticle: 11586
Tom Burns wrote: > > A reduced version of Altera's Max+Plus II software is available free for > the downloading and it handles several parts, I believe including the FLEX > 10K10, a 10,000+ gate SRAM-based device. You may have to make the PCB that > uses it, but you can download the FPGA program to it over the PC's serial > or parallel ports. You don't have to buy the BitBlaster or ByteBlaster > download cables; just download the data sheet for them - you can make > either yourself from the info in the datasheet. Absolutely. The Flex6K family starts at $20 in singles over the counter at <http://www.wyle.com> and others. They take credit cards; it's easy. That's the EPF6016TC144-3, which has 1300 LEs, good for 10K+ gates. Altera's PLS-WEB 8.3 is the real stuff, not a toy, with outstanding documentation. You can even code in AHDL, their (pretty basic) HDL, and synthesize into the part, with the free SW. We just got the first couple of our little KIM-RC boards up and at least partly tested this month. (It's a hobby activity for me so progress is when I get some time.) Built a ByteBlaster clone according to the Altera app note, and it works fine. Hand-soldering the little PQFP is a trick, but even that can be done. We'll keep this newsgroup posted on the KIM-RC. That's the little board I posted about a few months ago. We hope to make it available by the end of the year. Flex6016, 1Mbit SRAM, clock, parallel and serial ports, motor driver, leds and buttons, extra I/Os on headers, voltage regulators, hook up a little power cube or batteries and you're running. I'll be developing a simple 16-bit stack-based CPU and a fast native Forth system on it, for reconfigurable computing experiments, and releasing it all (HW, AHDL code & SW) under the GPL. (In my copious free time! ;-) Also thinking of a logic analyzer configuration, and robotics-related apps. Hoping others get some boards and develop for it and share as well. In the meantime, by all means, download some software, get a cheap FPGA, and start hacking. Share and enjoy! --MikeArticle: 11587
Reza Bohrani wrote: > I am new to to world of FPGA and would like to now which vendor to choose. > We have Actel, Altera, Xilinx, Lucent ... and many more. Can anyone please > tell me which one is the cheapest, the "best"? > Sincerely > Reza These are relative terms, especially "best". Part prices vary depending on what kind of deal you can get with a supplier. Don't forget, cost also includes the time & effort to climb the learning curve, and any tools for design capture, simulation, place&route and programming. The cost for components also should include the cost of making a programming error (one time programmable, vs E/EPROM types that need to come off the board for programming vs in-circuit programmables) You might sit with your distributor for a discussion on costs. As to best, it really depends on your application. For a heavily arithmetic design (ie DSP) the xilinx 4k/spartan architecture is in my opinion the hands down winner because of the flexibility of the carry logic (which doesn't use up LUT terms), and the ability to use the cell for RAM (makes compact delay Queues). If you are looking for synthesizability, the Altera 6/8/10K families might be a better choice because the global nature of the routing resource makes them less sensitive to good place and route. If you want high speed and/or lots of registers, the Atmel 6K and 40K devices may be the best choices, as there is a higher register to logic density than other devices. If you need non-volatility (or the usually lower price per gate of the raw devices) then Actel or Quicklogic devices would be the likely ticket. What it comes down to is that any of the devices on the market are "best" depending on your needs. As it has been said many times before beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you need to do is look at your application to determine which features you are likely to need and make a determination as to the best fit for your needs from there. -- -Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email randraka@ids.net http://users.ids.net/~randrakaArticle: 11588
Guy Gerard Lemieux wrote: > you can also keep your read/write ptrs in Gray code > but then you'll probably want to decode both ptrs into > binary to do the subtract. doing the subtraction > in the Gray code domain involves 2 parallel carry chains > which FPGAs are not optimized for. i can give you > a reference if you want one though. > You can get around this by using a composite counter that has a 2 bit gray code counter for the LSBs and whatever counter is convenient for the remaining bits. The decode is gated by the gray code counter so that it is only valid on a count that is away from the count enable of the upper counter. -- -Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email randraka@ids.net http://users.ids.net/~randrakaArticle: 11589
In article <6rt9de$j01$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jcvilleneuve@hotmail.com writes: > > > Hello there!!! > > Is anybody has used something else than a PROM for the > configuration cycle of > their FPGA (example direct CPU to fpga)? > > > > Thank you, Jici > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum We are currently designing a board, upon which resides upwards of a dozen Altera FLEX10K FPGAs. The board resides in a crate with VMEbus access from a PC. The board itself contains an Altera MAX7000 chip which coordinates VME I/O, a large (16 Mb) FLASH memory, and an additional MAX9000 'boot chip' which emulates the configuration cycle of a FLEX 10K. Configuration works as follows. Using the PC, configuration data is written to the FLASH memory over VME. Writing to a particular VME address initiates a configuration cycle by the boot chip, which reads data from the FLASH memory and writes it to the configuration data ports of the FLEX10Ks. For a single board, this is not very practical, but for dozens of similar boards which are part of a much larger system, there are advantages to having this flavor of ISP. Another project we are working on has both eproms and and a front panel connector (for use with a ByteBlaster), with a mechanical switch which multiplexes them. At the prototyping stage the front panel connector is used for configuration. Once a 'final' program is decided upon, the program is written to the eprom, the switch is flipped, and subsequent configuration is done with the eprom.Article: 11590
In article <35e18082.1903959@news.gv.net>, Jim Weir <jim@rst-engr.com> wrote: ) )->Summary )->^^^^^^^ )->In reconfigurable hardware, the behaviours and interconnections of the )->constituent electronic primitives can be repeatedly changed. Artificial )->evolution can automatically derive a configuration causing the system to )->exhibit a pre-specified desired behaviour. A circuit's evolutionary ) )Oh BOY. If the summary is this readable, I just can't WAIT to curl up with )this sucker some cold evening when I can't sleep. {;-) ) )Jim Let me translate this little bit into English. Hardware which can be changed can be changed more than once. It is sometimes possible to make the hardware configure itself. How's that? I think the original is obfuscated bullshit. People who lack content sometimes make up for it with obfuscation. Mike -- ---- char *p="char *p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} This message made from 100% recycled bits. I don't speak for DSC. <- They make me say that.Article: 11591
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D7FEB1FBD02CF64B68EADC55 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DA6C2785CF4C6CA25CF7AC5D" --------------DA6C2785CF4C6CA25CF7AC5D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rickman wrote: > Stanley Chow wrote: > > > > In article <35DCA3C7.9A810F57@visicom.com>, > > John L. Smith <jsmith@visicom.com> wrote: > > >> z=x6 + x7 > > >> y=x1 + x3 + x5 + x7 + 2*(x2 + x3 + z) + 4*(x4 + x5 + z + 2*x8) > > >> > > >> Can you get less than 11? > > > > > >I don't think so Dan, add up the number of 1-bits (or 0-bits +1 if this isless) in > > >the co-efficients, then subtract 1 (because you always start with > > >one): > > > > > >coef: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > > >#of adds(or subs): 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 1 -> Total-1 = 11 > > > > This is not a true lower bound. > > > > It is possible for a single addition to produce two bit, for exmaple: > > > > x = a+b > > y = 2x + x = 3a+3b > > z = 4y + y = 15a + 15b > > > > In three additions, the result has 8 one-bits. > > Stanley, > > No, this is not a lower bound. Also John's calculation is wrong. He > shows 2 bits set in the coefficient 7. It should be three bits giving a > total of 13 bits with 12 adders. But this gives you the upper bound > actually. Hi Dan/Stanley/Rick, I realized _after_ posting that what I said was a bit off from Dan's original query. Been offline for a few days, would like to elaborate further. What I meant for the coef 7 entry was that it could be generated as +8 - 1, or 2 more addition equivalents. I didn't explain thoroughly, just as bad as wrong I guess. Stanley: x = a+b y = 16x-x = 15a + 15b, two addition equivalents -> 8 one bits (but you know this). To put the original problem into slightly different notation, Total = A + 2B + 3C + 4D + 5E + 6F + 7G + 8H Now tabulate the additions (as Rick suggests below): 8 H 4 D E F G 2 B C F G 1 A C E G Now, certain patterns become evident; in this case, symmetries can be seen: 1) 4 ... F G 2 ... F G 2) 2 ... C ... G 1 ... C ... G 3) 4 ... E . G 1 ... E . G For each of the above, it is less work to add first 'horizontally' then do one 'vertical' addition than to perform two vertical adds and 1 horizontal. Unfortunately, all these symmetries involve the G column; using any one means not using any of the others. So there is possible piece of a logic reduction algorithm: Tabulate the bits and find non-coincident symmetries. Each one allows the removal of an adder. Another piece (that I posted about orig.) is to stay within a single column, where any coef spanning N powers of 2 can be implemented in at most 1 + N/2 additional adders and/or subtractors. Repeating patterns allow reduction to O(logN), see earlier post on fixed division to get the idea there. > > > In order to use fewer adders, you need to take advantage of common bits > in the coefficients. The above exaple takes advantage of the 2 and the 4 > bits common to both the 6 and the 7 coefficients. This is shown in the > expression z = x6 + x7. This allows the result of this addition to be > used in two places from the original expression eliminating one adder. > > That is also what you have shown in your example where you have > eliminated 4 adders by using this process twice. > > I think that you can see this by expressing each product as a sum of the > products of the binary coefficients and the variable. Then find an > optimal grouping of coefficients that eliminates additions. Of course > this is not an algorithm. But I think this is the mathmatical basis for > finding one. You need to search this space for optimal groupings. > > -- > > Rick Collins > > redsp@XYusa.net > > remove the XY to email me. --------------DA6C2785CF4C6CA25CF7AC5D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <P>Rickman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Stanley Chow wrote: <BR>> <BR>> In article <35DCA3C7.9A810F57@visicom.com>, <BR>> John L. Smith <jsmith@visicom.com> wrote: <BR>> >> z=x6 + x7 <BR>> >> y=x1 + x3 + x5 + x7 + 2*(x2 + x3 + z) + 4*(x4 + x5 + z + 2*x8) <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Can you get less than 11? <BR>> > <BR>> >I don't think so Dan, add up the number of 1-bits (or 0-bits +1 if this isless) in <BR>> >the co-efficients, then subtract 1 (because you always start with <BR>> >one): <BR>> > <BR>> >coef: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 <BR>> >#of adds(or subs): 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 1 -> Total-1 = 11 <BR>> <BR>> This is not a true lower bound. <BR>> <BR>> It is possible for a single addition to produce two bit, for exmaple: <BR>> <BR>> x = a+b <BR>> y = 2x + x = 3a+3b <BR>> z = 4y + y = 15a + 15b <BR>> <BR>> In three additions, the result has 8 one-bits. <P>Stanley, <P>No, this is not a lower bound. Also John's calculation is wrong. He <BR>shows 2 bits set in the coefficient 7. It should be three bits giving a <BR>total of 13 bits with 12 adders. But this gives you the upper bound <BR>actually.</BLOCKQUOTE> <TT>Hi Dan/Stanley/Rick,</TT><TT> I realized _after_ posting that what I said was</TT> <BR><TT>a bit off from Dan's original query. Been offline for</TT> <BR><TT>a few days, would like to elaborate further.</TT> <BR><TT> What I meant for the coef 7 entry was that it could be</TT> <BR><TT>generated as +8 - 1, or 2 more addition equivalents.</TT> <BR><TT>I didn't explain thoroughly, just as bad as wrong I guess.</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>Stanley:</TT> <BR><TT>x = a+b</TT> <BR><TT>y = 16x-x = 15a + 15b,</TT> <BR><TT>two addition equivalents -> 8 one bits (but you know this).</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>To put the original problem into slightly different</TT> <BR><TT>notation,</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>Total = A + 2B + 3C + 4D + 5E + 6F + 7G + 8H</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>Now tabulate the additions (as Rick suggests below):</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>8 H</TT> <BR><TT>4 D E F G</TT> <BR><TT>2 B C F G</TT> <BR><TT>1 A C E G</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>Now, certain patterns become evident; in this</TT> <BR><TT>case, symmetries can be seen:</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>1) 4 ... F G</TT> <BR><TT> 2 ... F G</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>2) 2 ... C ... G</TT> <BR><TT> 1 ... C ... G</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>3) 4 ... E . G</TT> <BR><TT> 1 ... E . G</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>For each of the above, it is less work</TT> <BR><TT>to add first 'horizontally' then do one</TT> <BR><TT>'vertical' addition than to perform</TT> <BR><TT>two vertical adds and 1 horizontal.</TT> <BR><TT>Unfortunately, all these symmetries</TT> <BR><TT>involve the G column; using any one</TT> <BR><TT>means not using any of the others.</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>So there is possible piece of a logic</TT> <BR><TT>reduction algorithm: Tabulate the</TT> <BR><TT>bits and find non-coincident symmetries.</TT> <BR><TT>Each one allows the removal of an adder.</TT><TT></TT> <P><TT>Another piece (that I posted about orig.)</TT> <BR><TT>is to stay within a single column,</TT> <BR><TT>where any coef spanning N powers of 2</TT> <BR><TT>can be implemented in at most 1 + N/2</TT> <BR><TT>additional adders and/or subtractors.</TT> <BR><TT>Repeating patterns allow reduction</TT> <BR><TT>to O(logN), see earlier post on fixed</TT> <BR><TT>division to get the idea there.</TT> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <P>In order to use fewer adders, you need to take advantage of common bits <BR>in the coefficients. The above exaple takes advantage of the 2 and the 4 <BR>bits common to both the 6 and the 7 coefficients. This is shown in the <BR>expression z = x6 + x7. This allows the result of this addition to be <BR>used in two places from the original expression eliminating one adder. <P>That is also what you have shown in your example where you have <BR>eliminated 4 adders by using this process twice. <P>I think that you can see this by expressing each product as a sum of the <BR>products of the binary coefficients and the variable. Then find an <BR>optimal grouping of coefficients that eliminates additions. Of course <BR>this is not an algorithm. But I think this is the mathmatical basis for <BR>finding one. You need to search this space for optimal groupings. <P>-- <P>Rick Collins <P>redsp@XYusa.net <P>remove the XY to email me.</BLOCKQUOTE> </HTML> --------------DA6C2785CF4C6CA25CF7AC5D-- --------------D7FEB1FBD02CF64B68EADC55 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for John L. Smith Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: John L. Smith n: Smith;John L. org: Visicom Imaging Products adr: 1 Burlington Woods;;;Burlington;MA;01803;USA email;internet: jsmith@visicom.com title: Principal Engineer tel;work: 781-221-6700 tel;fax: 781-221-6777 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------D7FEB1FBD02CF64B68EADC55--Article: 11592
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EE8C6153CCE60DDFD44307D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike McCarty wrote: > In article <35e18082.1903959@news.gv.net>, Jim Weir <jim@rst-engr.com> wrote: > ) > )->Summary > )->^^^^^^^ > )->In reconfigurable hardware, the behaviours and interconnections of the > )->constituent electronic primitives can be repeatedly changed. Artificial > )->evolution can automatically derive a configuration causing the system to > )->exhibit a pre-specified desired behaviour. A circuit's evolutionary > ) > )Oh BOY. If the summary is this readable, I just can't WAIT to curl up with > )this sucker some cold evening when I can't sleep. {;-) > ) > )Jim > > Let me translate this little bit into English. > > Hardware which can be changed can be changed more than once. It > is sometimes possible to make the hardware configure itself. > > How's that? > > I think the original is obfuscated bullshit. People who lack content > sometimes make up for it with obfuscation. > <FLAME>Actually, its not 'obfuscated bullshit' its precise scientific english: you just have to turn off the TV, put down your beer and engage your brain before reading it. For example: 'Hardware that can be changed can be changed more than once' FALSE what about fuse technologies? The original text does not make this claim. 'It is sometimes possible to make the hardware configure itself' The text does not say this either - what it says is that a configuration can be derived from artificial evolution. The method of downloading the configuration is not specified. </FLAME> Tom. --------------EE8C6153CCE60DDFD44307D9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Kean Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Tom Kean n: Kean;Tom org: Algotronix Ltd. adr: P.O. Box 23116;;;Edinburgh;;EH8 8YB;Scotland email;internet: tom@algotronix.com title: Director tel;work: UK +44 131 556 9242 tel;fax: UK +44 131 556 9247 note: Web Site: www.algotronix.com x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------EE8C6153CCE60DDFD44307D9--Article: 11593
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The URL works now, but I am not able to download files. Paul Donachy has responded through email that their server is being updated and should be done sometime September. A big thank-you to everyone who has responded to my post. Cheers, C M HeongArticle: 11595
I am not sure what tool is the BEST on the market, but I have Xilinx's Foundation series 1.4 software. It includes Synopsys' FPGA express for synthesis as well as a HDL entry ( VHDL/Verilog/ABEL ), and schematic entry tools. I believe that the student version ( schematic / ABEL entry ) is only $100, and will soon be upgradable to VHDL/Verilog for free in their 1.5 release coming soon. Of course the student version is limited to synthesis of Xilinx parts less than 10,000 gates, but I believe the (1.5) upgrade will include larger device size and support for Altera and Lucent parts. Check out their web page http://www.xilinx.com Hope this helps. Scott Campbell sjcampbe@ece.ucdavis.edu University of California Davis Reza Bohrani wrote: > Which pc-based synthesis tool is the best on the market. I have heard of > Synplify; is that a good tool or should I go for Leonardo or are there other > good tools?Article: 11596
Hi All,, does anyone know where I might find an implementation of the image processing or computer vision algorithm (motion detection) in AHDL (Altera HDL) ? It is not meant for commercial purposes, only for my PhD-research and out of Altare Home Page. Thanks, Ali,Article: 11597
Hi, I would like to build a digital PLL with a XILINX 4010 FPGA. The generated frequency should be 9.5MHz to 10MHz in steps of 1kHz. So I have to use a 1kHz Referenz (this is also the frequenzy of the PhaseDetector) and multiply it with 9.500 to 10.000. At the moment, I use a PhaseDetector von Xilinx AppNote and an Integrator to close the loop. But this isn't a good design. The PhaseJitter is to big. Could anybody help me to improve this design? Thanks Detlef ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dipl.-Ing. D.Justen ______| _____| ___| ___| Center for Sensor Systems (ZESS) __| __| __| __| Paul-Bonatz-Str. 9-11 __| ____| __| __| 57074 Siegen __| __| __| __| Germany ______| _____| ____| ____| Tel.: ++49271/ 740-2432 Fax.: ++49271/ 740-2336 E-Mail: justen@zess.uni-siegen.de Homepage: http://www.zess.uni-siegen.de ----------------------------------------------------------------Article: 11598
In article <35E356DD.4CB89744@algotronix.com>, Tom Kean <tom@algotronix.com> writes >Actually, its not 'obfuscated bullshit' its precise scientific english: No, it's not. It may not be BS, but it is certainly obfuscated, and that makes it read like an offering from a green-ink merchant. Certainly, I was initially misled. What you call 'precise scientific English' is no good if the readers (even skilled ones) cannot interpret it correctly. -- Regards, John Woodgate, Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. OOO - Own Opinions Only. You can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't please some of the people any of the time.Article: 11599
In message <35e1e00e.18316240@news.vom.com> - marjan@vom.com (AbdulraHman Lomax) writes: :> :>"Chr. Moecking" <uCon_electronics@csi.com> wrote: :> :>>Hi Michael, :>> :>>you wrote: :>>>My question is: What autorouter do you use and recommend? Should we :>>>switch to a totally different environment :>>>with integrated placer and autorouter or is there a really good :>>>autorouter which can read our Protel design files? :>> :>>I've never found a better autorouter than my brain and my hands, so :>>you better make it manually. :> :>Non sequitur. Yes, human beings are very good at routing, or at least :>they *can* be. However, sometimes a job simply does not require the :>level of optimization that a human being can apply; in these cases an :>autorouter can be very useful. So what if there are a few more vias: :>vias are cheap, and unless production quantities are high, vias are :>cheaper, much cheaper, than human labor. Now, if via count *does* :>matter, or really good minimization of trace lengths, then manual :>routing may, indeed, be better. :> :>The Protel 98 router, from what I have seen, is very good indeed. Not :>as good as I am, but I do not expect all of my assistants to be as :>good at PC design as I am. And the router is *much* faster than me.... :> :>I've spent a *lot* more money on routers and gotten much worse than :>Route 98. Yes, it may not do blind vias (I haven't actually checked.) :>But, then again, I've never used a blind via and don't plan to in the :>near future: why raise my customers fab cost? :> :>Of course, there are jobs where they are really useful, I am sure. I :>just don't see them in general commercial work. Protel 98 supports :>blind vias even if the autorouter doesn't. The real question here is not is there a good autorouter but is there a good autorouter within your price range.. I'm sure that if you have the money you could buy one which will work and be mind bogling.. once you've programed all the rules.. I'm sure that the PC you work on was autorouted.. by a $100k+ autorouter.. but Spectra isn't too bad.. if you've got a spair 60k Remember Just remove the VOID -- StarLite Design Phone mobile: +64 25 40 2963 Simon Peacock Home: +64 4 388 8964 simon@actrix.void.gen.nz Fax: +64 4 388 8964 Address: P.O. Box 15-143 Miramar, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
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