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Brian Drummond wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:40:01 -0400, rickman wrote: > >> On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote: >>> The candidate needs to familiar with development of Altera FPGA and >>> Verilog HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with >>> wireless communication and VB.NET or C++. >>> It is fix term project ,the duration of the job is 5 months, the venue >>> of the job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK, >>> It is full time job. >>> >>> They company will offer great opportunity to graduates who wish to get >>> work experience. >>> >>> Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum. >>> Please e-mail your CV to following address: clintonchn@yahoo.com >> Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year >> which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not >> surprised they are looking around the world. > > About $32k last time I looked at the exchange rates. > > But even if they were offering a realistic salary, I would be more > impressed if they translated the advert into English... > > So let's just say that despite the fact that I am actively looking for > work at the moment, I haven't dropped my CV in their direction! :-) > > - Brian > Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address. It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another $40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses. I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet group). -- GaborArticle: 154151
Has anyone created a PKzip password cracker from an FPGA ?? Google does not find any ...... hamiltonArticle: 154152
On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote: > rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote: >>> Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum. >>Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year >>which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not > You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living. Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish. - Philip -- Remember Sammy Jenkins. (Memento)Article: 154153
On 8/22/2012 3:22 AM, Philip Herzog wrote: > On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote: >> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote: >>>> Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum. >>> Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year >>> which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not >> You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living. > > Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer > is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German > cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish. > > - Philip My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. I was in Paris once and when I looked at the cost of a small condo I realized I could never afford to live in the downtown. RickArticle: 154154
On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> sent: |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: | |> On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted: | |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | |> |"[. . .] | | |> | | | |> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | | |> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | | |> |surprised they are looking around the world. | | |> | | | |> |Rick" | | |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | |> | |> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in| |> the U.S.A. charge too much. | |> | | | |If that were actually true," |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A. |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |" the US would have 100% unemployment. | | | |-- | |Les Cargill" | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed.Article: 154155
On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent: |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter | |working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address." | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail. |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another | |$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses." | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not have wasted money like that. |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use | |yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet | |group). | | | |-- Gabor" | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer.Article: 154156
On 2012-08-22, Rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> sent: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low| |or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets| |a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] | |[. . .]" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same. As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals into account?Article: 154157
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >On 8/22/2012 3:22 AM, Philip Herzog wrote: >> On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote: >>> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote: >>>>> Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum. >>>> Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year >>>> which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not >>> You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living. >> >> Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer >> is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German >> cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish. >> >> - Philip > >My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low >or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets There are huge differences in Europe and it doesn't depend on a country's GBP. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------Article: 154158
Paul Colin Gloster wrote: > On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> sent: > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: | > |> On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted: | > |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | > |> |"[. . .] | | > |> | | | > |> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | | > |> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | | > |> |surprised they are looking around the world. | | > |> | | | > |> |Rick" | | > |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | > |> | > |> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in| > |> the U.S.A. charge too much. | > |> | > | | > |If that were actually true," > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not > located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the > U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A. > > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |" the US would have 100% unemployment. | > | | > |-- | > |Les Cargill" | > |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away > from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed. > You said - and I quote ( the text is even in line above ) - "Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in the U.S.A. charge too much." Again - if that were true, then all jobs would be located away from the US. It's clearly not true for the vast majority of people in the US. Even with bad unemployment, labor force participation is around 64% or so: http://ycharts.com/indicators/labor_force_participation_rate What matters with jobs is not cost, but marginal product - for every unit of labor paid for, how many units* of output do you get? If the answer is "more than 1", then you are not paying too much. *denominated in the currency of your choice. Baristas at our Starbucks chain make close to $10USD per hour. If Scots or German FPGA designers are working for $10 per hour, then they are *paid too little*. This would also be true for $20 per hour. -- Les CargillArticle: 154159
rickman wrote: > On 8/22/2012 3:22 AM, Philip Herzog wrote: >> On 21.08.2012 17:35, Nico Coesel wrote: >>> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 8/20/2012 3:02 PM, Recruit FPGA engineer wrote: >>>>> Salary is about GBP 20,000 per annum. >>>> Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year >>>> which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not >>> You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living. >> >> Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer >> is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German >> cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish. >> >> - Philip > > My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low > or lower than most of Europe. This is true for very nearly all of Yurp, according to expats with whom I have worked. It is also shown to be true by military housing allowances. > Around a few of the major cities it gets > a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. I was in Paris once > and when I looked at the cost of a small condo I realized I could never > afford to live in the downtown. > > Rick -- Les CargillArticle: 154160
Paul Colin Gloster wrote: > On 2012-08-22, Rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> sent: > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"[. . .] | > | | > |My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low| > |or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets| > |a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] | > |[. . .]" | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > > The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same. > > As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals > into account? > People who are careful in purchasing health insurance in the US don't pay all that much. -- Les CargillArticle: 154161
Paul Colin Gloster wrote: > On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent: > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"[. . .] | > | | > |Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter | > |working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address." | > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities > which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail. > > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another | > |$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses." | > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not > have wasted money like that. > > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| > |"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use | > |yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet | > |group). | > | | > |-- Gabor" | > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that > competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer. Of course Yahoo! is a corporation, but I highly doubt that this "recruiter" is employed by Yahoo! The OP also doesn't give a name or mailing address, and only an e-mail address (Yahoo, hotmail, gmail is irrelevant) that any scam artist could have cooked up this morning. With the job market as stale as it's been lately, there have been a large number of scams to lure people into paying for a job placement when the "job" doesn't exist. Since the OP has not jumped into this discussion to defend the offer, I presume this is just such a scam. -- GaborArticle: 154162
On 22/08/2012 20:01, Gabor wrote: > Paul Colin Gloster wrote: >> On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent: >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> |"[. . >> .] | >> | >> | >> |Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a >> recruiter | >> |working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail >> address." | >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities >> which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail. >> >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> |"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and >> another | >> |$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 >> addresses." | >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not >> have wasted money like that. >> >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> |"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to >> use | >> |yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a >> UseNet | >> |group). >> | >> | >> | >> |-- >> Gabor" | >> |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that >> competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer. > > Of course Yahoo! is a corporation, but I highly doubt that this > "recruiter" is employed by Yahoo! > > The OP also doesn't give a name or mailing address, and only an > e-mail address (Yahoo, hotmail, gmail is irrelevant) that any > scam artist could have cooked up this morning. > > With the job market as stale as it's been lately, there have been > a large number of scams to lure people into paying for a job > placement when the "job" doesn't exist. > > Since the OP has not jumped into this discussion to defend the > offer, I presume this is just such a scam. > > -- Gabor I actually live in Scotland (about 100 miles south of the OP's location). The money offered is absurdly low - they are offering a 5 month contract at the (very) bottom end of the graduate starting salary range. I would expect an advertised rate of at least £30 per hour but personally would charge (a lot) more. If it's a scam they could at least have offered a decent rate ! Michael KellettArticle: 154163
On 2012-08-22, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> wrote: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: | |> On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> sent: | |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: || |> |> On 2012-08-21, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> posted: || |> |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| || |> |> |"[. . .] | || |> |> | | || |> |> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | || |> |> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | || |> |> |surprised they are looking around the world. | || |> |> | | || |> |> |Rick" | || |> |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| || |> |> || |> |> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in|| |> |> the U.S.A. charge too much. || |> |> || |> | || |> |If that were actually true," | |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not | |> located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the | |> U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A. | |> | |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |" the US would have 100% unemployment. || |> | || |> |-- || |> |Les Cargill" || |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away | |> from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed. | |> | | | | | |You said - and I quote ( the text is even in line above ) - | | | |"Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people | |in the U.S.A. charge too much." | | | |Again - if that were true, then all jobs would be located away from the | |US." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Again that is not true. Again please read what you quoted twice. "Ah, jobs" /= "all jobs". |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |Baristas at our Starbucks chain make close to $10USD per hour. If Scots | |or German FPGA designers are working for $10 per hour, then they | |are *paid too little*. This would also be true for $20 per hour. | | | |-- | |Les Cargill" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| At a rate of $10 (or $20) per hour, they would be paid too little if and only if they are doing work worth more than $10 (or $20) an hour. If I am forced to wait in a store because the staff is too slow to deal with the customers, then I do not give the shop more money for the extra time I was waiting there.Article: 154164
How do you set up search paths in Vivado so that it will find `includes files? XST supported incdir (in the form of the -vlgincdir switch). I haven't found an incdir in the Vivado documentation, does anyone know what the tcl command is for incdir?Article: 154165
On Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:01:07 PM UTC+2, General Schvantzkoph wrote: > How do you set up search paths in Vivado so that it will find `includes > > files? XST supported incdir (in the form of the -vlgincdir switch). I > > haven't found an incdir in the Vivado documentation, does anyone know what > > the tcl command is for incdir? Is it the 'add_files -scan_for_includes PATH' ? In the TCL doc: scan_for_includes: Scan and add any included files found in the fileset's RTL sourcesArticle: 154166
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:01:07 +0000, General Schvantzkoph wrote: > How do you set up search paths in Vivado so that it will find `includes > files? XST supported incdir (in the form of the -vlgincdir switch). I > haven't found an incdir in the Vivado documentation, does anyone know > what the tcl command is for incdir? I work around the problem by having my build script parse the project file, identify all verilog files (we use mixed VHDL / Verilog for some projects here), and for each verilog file, parse it, identify the include files, and then copy the include files into the current directory of the compiler. This works with XST. I imagine it would work with just about any tool, incuding Vivado. Personally, I blame the original Verilog authors, who neglected to make Verilog's `include work like C's #include. Verilog: (AIUI) the LRM does not define how `include files are located, and compilers will use locations relative to the cwd of the tool. C: #include "file" will be relative to the location the file being compiled. Regards, AllanArticle: 154167
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:22:59 -0700, jan wrote:
> On Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:01:07 PM UTC+2, General Schvantzkoph
> wrote:
>> How do you set up search paths in Vivado so that it will find `includes
>>
>> files? XST supported incdir (in the form of the -vlgincdir switch). I
>>
>> haven't found an incdir in the Vivado documentation, does anyone know
>> what
>>
>> the tcl command is for incdir?
>
> Is it the 'add_files -scan_for_includes PATH' ?
>
> In the TCL doc:
> scan_for_includes: Scan and add any included files found in the
> fileset's RTL sources
I don't think that's it. The incdir command in Verilog sets up the search
path order. For example in an XST script,
-vlgincdir { "./in" "./v" "../v" "../../../../common/hdlmaker/v" }
The scan_for_includes looks like it tells Vivado to do something that it
should always do anyway which is read in the `includes.
Article: 154168Allan Herriman wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:01:07 +0000, General Schvantzkoph wrote: > >> How do you set up search paths in Vivado so that it will find `includes >> files? XST supported incdir (in the form of the -vlgincdir switch). I >> haven't found an incdir in the Vivado documentation, does anyone know >> what the tcl command is for incdir? > > I work around the problem by having my build script parse the project > file, identify all verilog files (we use mixed VHDL / Verilog for some > projects here), and for each verilog file, parse it, identify the include > files, and then copy the include files into the current directory of the > compiler. > > This works with XST. I imagine it would work with just about any tool, > incuding Vivado. > > > Personally, I blame the original Verilog authors, who neglected to make > Verilog's `include work like C's #include. > > Verilog: (AIUI) the LRM does not define how `include files are located, > and compilers will use locations relative to the cwd of the tool. > > C: #include "file" will be relative to the location the file being > compiled. > > Regards, > Allan When I use ISE, I generally have a project file structure where theres a main folder, and under that I have a "synth" or "ise" folder where the ISE project file resides, and where all the crap that ISE leaves behind resides. My source is in a "source" or "src" folder, cores are in a "cores" folder, etc. Then if I use `include, I use a relative path like: `include "../include/my_stuff.h" And because of the structure, this relative path is the same whether looking from the "synth" directory or the "source" directory. ISE in fact looks in the directory where the project file (.xise) resides but paths relative to that also work. I haven't looked at how this works in Vivado, but it's probably similar. -- GaborArticle: 154169
Hi, We designed a board that uses an Arria II GX45 chip. We didn't initially figure to use all its resources, but the customer keeps piling on requirements and we've run out of stuff inside. The original chip was an EP2AGX45DF29C5N, 780 pin BGA. We stuffed a couple of boards using the bigger GX95 equivalent, and recompiled with the same design and pin list. It configures, and mostly works. Two problems: all of the bank 6 I/Os are dead, all hi-z. And the PCI Express is dead. We've worked mostly on the bank 6 issue. The three VCCio6 pins are the same, and are known good. We can't, from the documentation, find any pin differences that would take out this bank. Any suggestions? Altera doesn't seem to want to help. -- John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generatorsArticle: 154170
On 8/23/2012 3:38 AM, MK wrote: > On 22/08/2012 20:01, Gabor wrote: > > I actually live in Scotland (about 100 miles south of the OP's location). > > The money offered is absurdly low - they are offering a 5 month contract > at the (very) bottom end of the graduate starting salary range. I would > expect an advertised rate of at least £30 per hour but personally would > charge (a lot) more. > > If it's a scam they could at least have offered a decent rate ! > > > Michael Kellett If £30 per hour is the same as $48 per hour (from the exchange rate in another post elsewhere here) that is around what I would expect for a regular full time job. Contract pay is sometimes less, oddly enough. Consulting is quite a bit more. I've never figured out the difference between contract work and consulting except for the middle-man usually involved in contract work and the difference in pay... RickArticle: 154171
On 8/22/2012 1:46 PM, Les Cargill wrote: > Paul Colin Gloster wrote: >> On 2012-08-22, Rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> sent: >> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| >> |"[. . .] | >> | | >> |My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low| >> |or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets| >> |a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] | >> |[. . .]" | >> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same. >> >> As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals >> into account? >> > > > People who are careful in purchasing health insurance in the US don't > pay all that much. > > -- > Les Cargill "Careful"? I'm not sure what that means. I can't even get insurance here except for Maryland offering the new "Affordable Healthcare Act" policy. In the neighboring Virginia and West Virginia you can't get insurance at all if you have pre-existing conditions. I don't want to turn this into an insurance debate, but the difficulty of finding health insurance outside of an employment group is the single biggest failing of this government in the last forty years. Well, except for a war or two we never needed. RickArticle: 154172
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: (snip) > "Careful"? I'm not sure what that means. I can't even get insurance > here except for Maryland offering the new "Affordable Healthcare Act" > policy. In the neighboring Virginia and West Virginia you can't get > insurance at all if you have pre-existing conditions. > I don't want to turn this into an insurance debate, but the difficulty > of finding health insurance outside of an employment group is the single > biggest failing of this government in the last forty years. Well, except > for a war or two we never needed. I don't want a health care debate either, but it doesn't seem fair to blame the government. Well, we will have to see how Obamacare works out, but before that there was pretty much no government in healthcare. (Not counting Medicare and such.) Most likely it will still need some adjusting, but it seems to me that Obamacare is a step in the right direction. All the TV ads about government bureaucrats making health care decisions, (to convince people that government is bad), but I would rather that than some corporate CEO whose year end bonus depends on how many patients' claims were denied. Note that Obamacare was modeled after the system that Romney started in MA, and yet he is against it! -- glenArticle: 154173
rickman wrote: > On 8/22/2012 1:46 PM, Les Cargill wrote: >> Paul Colin Gloster wrote: >>> On 2012-08-22, Rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> sent: >>> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> >>> |"[. . .] | >>> | | >>> |My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as >>> low| >>> |or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets| >>> |a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] | >>> |[. . .]" | >>> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> >>> >>> The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same. >>> >>> As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals >>> into account? >>> >> >> >> People who are careful in purchasing health insurance in the US don't >> pay all that much. >> >> -- >> Les Cargill > > "Careful"? I'm not sure what that means. I can't even get insurance > here except for Maryland offering the new "Affordable Healthcare Act" > policy. In the neighboring Virginia and West Virginia you can't get > insurance at all if you have pre-existing conditions. > Gad. That's terrible. We found something, but I don't precisely recall the cost - something like $6k a year. It was very high deductible. That's fine - no point in paying an insurance company to finance the small stuff. > I don't want to turn this into an insurance debate, but the difficulty > of finding health insurance outside of an employment group is the single > biggest failing of this government in the last forty years. Well, except > for a war or two we never needed. > > Rick -- Les CargillArticle: 154174
glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > > (snip) >> "Careful"? I'm not sure what that means. I can't even get insurance >> here except for Maryland offering the new "Affordable Healthcare Act" >> policy. In the neighboring Virginia and West Virginia you can't get >> insurance at all if you have pre-existing conditions. > >> I don't want to turn this into an insurance debate, but the difficulty >> of finding health insurance outside of an employment group is the single >> biggest failing of this government in the last forty years. Well, except >> for a war or two we never needed. > > I don't want a health care debate either, but it doesn't seem > fair to blame the government. Had they opened up sales of insurance across state lines, there's a nonzero probability that it would have improved cost somewhat. How much is not clear. > Well, we will have to see how > Obamacare works out, but before that there was pretty much no > government in healthcare. (Not counting Medicare and such.) > > Most likely it will still need some adjusting, but it seems to > me that Obamacare is a step in the right direction. > > All the TV ads about government bureaucrats making health care > decisions, (to convince people that government is bad), but I > would rather that than some corporate CEO whose year end > bonus depends on how many patients' claims were denied. > > Note that Obamacare was modeled after the system that Romney > started in MA, and yet he is against it! > Happy election year! It'll be over soon enough. > -- glen > -- Les Cargill
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