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Article: 105975
Subject: Re: Microblaze Sierro RTOS is no longer available??
From: "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 3 Aug 2006 23:46:46 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
ghelbig@lycos.com schrieb:

> They have re-designed their web site.  Hope you read Swedish.
>
> http://www.realfast.se/RFIPP/products/sierra/sierra.shtml
>
>
> Antti wrote:
> > Xilinx website still has links to it
> >
> > http://www.realfast.se/RFIPP/HWSW/system/system.shtml
> >
> > but all reference to the Sierra RTOS now point to "page not found" any
> > idea what happened?
> >
> > Antti

thanks! I was searching at their website, even landed at the prevas
website,
but as soon as change language at prevas to english then sierra
information
is not there.

looks like realfast has sold sierra product to a company that has no
clue about FPGAs.

Antti


Article: 105976
Subject: Re: How can we fully utilize available BRAMs...
From: "Xesium" <amirhossein.gholamipour@gmail.com>
Date: 3 Aug 2006 23:55:30 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
> Hi Xesium,
>
> If you use BSB to generate your design, the default setting is actually
> not a Harvard architecture system. So no extra 2KB. :)
>
> If you need Harvard architecture, from my experience, you need add a
> separate BRAM controller and BRAMs.
>
> Wayne

Hi Wayne,

so you mean that the address space that it shows which is from 0000 to
ffff is the address space for both instruction and data? So how is it
ordered? how does it distinguish between data and instruction? Because
I think the compiler doesn't really consider it (At least I think)?
And also I have this problem that I want to profile my application when
it is executed on Microblaze but I don't know which address to set as
profiling_mem. Can I assign or should I assign an address beyond the
address space for data and instruction?

Thanks,


Article: 105977
Subject: profiling my application in microblaze...
From: "Xesium" <amirhossein.gholamipour@gmail.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 00:16:34 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi guys,
I'm trying to profile my application while it is running on microblaze.
However I have a problem in setting profile_mem configuration. My LMB
instruction and data address space spans from 0000 to ffff which is
64KB. I really don't know which address to assign for the profiler to
profile the application. For some addresses (like 0x00010000) while
executing it generates an error which says "Unexpected Debug Trap
Condition occured. Microblaze current PC value is 0x18. Possible causes
could be stack overflow, corrupt code or data section. To continue
reset microblaze or configure FPGA". To me it sounds like I'm using an
address space which I shouldn't use but still I don't know which
address space I should use for the profiler either. Also for some
addresses it generates gmon.out file but when I want to extract its
information with -p option it says that gmon.out file is not in a.out
format.
Do you have any idea how I can profile my application with these
problems?

Thanks a lot beforehand,

Amir


Article: 105978
Subject: Re: coming soon: MB 5.0
From: Zara <yorara@terra.es>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:22:16 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 3 Aug 2006 07:51:25 -0700, "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com> wrote:

>http://xilant.com/content/view/45/2/
>
>soon...
>
Does anybody know which things will change (to better, I hope) form
MB4 to MB5?

Zara

Article: 105979
Subject: Re: profiling my application in microblaze...
From: quickwayne@gmail.com
Date: 4 Aug 2006 01:14:25 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Xesium wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I'm trying to profile my application while it is running on microblaze.
> However I have a problem in setting profile_mem configuration. My LMB
> instruction and data address space spans from 0000 to ffff which is
> 64KB. I really don't know which address to assign for the profiler to
> profile the application. For some addresses (like 0x00010000) while
> executing it generates an error which says "Unexpected Debug Trap
> Condition occured. Microblaze current PC value is 0x18. Possible causes
> could be stack overflow, corrupt code or data section. To continue
> reset microblaze or configure FPGA". To me it sounds like I'm using an
> address space which I shouldn't use but still I don't know which
> address space I should use for the profiler either. Also for some
> addresses it generates gmon.out file but when I want to extract its
> information with -p option it says that gmon.out file is not in a.out
> format.
> Do you have any idea how I can profile my application with these
> problems?
>
> Thanks a lot beforehand,
>
> Amir

Hi Amir,

The address space for code and data is controlled by linkscript. You
can also see the memory usage by 'mb-objdump --syms xx.elf'.

Good luck,
Wayne


Article: 105980
Subject: Re: Where are Huffman encoding applications?
From: Clifford Heath <no@spam.please.net>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:50:07 +1000
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Weng Tianxiang wrote:
> I am a newbie in the field and really like to learn more. But I am
> determined to learn all those things you have mentioned better.
> What books can you suggest for me to buy and read about the fields?

Hmm. Not sure I'd recommend books - they tend to be too theoretical.
If I were you I'd enter some of the search words into wikipedia and
google and read any technical papers you find that look authoritative.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression> is a good start.
Code can also be useful, though often very cryptic - people who write
compressors are often very bad at writing readable code.

What's the source of your data? Are the 64 bits broken into fields,
say 4x16-bit fields? What patterns might you expect? Do the values
tend to cluster around a certain range, or tend to be close to
previous readings? All these things affect the predicability of your
data and so are intimately connected with the compression approach
you must choose.

Article: 105981
Subject: Re: RocketIO simulation in VCS
From: Petter Gustad <newsmailcomp6@gustad.com>
Date: 04 Aug 2006 10:54:45 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
"sovan" <sovan.kundu@gmail.com> writes:

> I am trying to simulate RocketIO MGT in VCS.  When I do
> vcs -lmc-swift-template GT_SWIFT
> it says it couldn't find libswift.so library. I am using Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux WS release 3. What files/directories should I look for
> to confirm if the SmartModel Library is installed in VCS? or any better
> way to find if VCS is setup properly for SmartModel simulation.

It's been a couple years since I did this, but in my scripts I have
something like:

TARGET_OPS="... -y $ISE_HOME/smartmodel/$xsmarch/wrappers/vcs -lmc-swift"
LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -L$ISE_HOME/smartmodel/$xsmarch/installed_$xsmarch/lib/$xsmlibd"
LP=$ISE_HOME/smartmodel/$xsmarch/installed_$xsmarch/lib/$xsmlibd
if test -z "$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
then
   LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LP
else
   LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$LP
fi
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
LMC_HOME=$ISE_HOME/smartmodel/$xsmarch/installed_$xsmarch
export LMC_HOME

...

$VCS_HOME/bin/vcs ... $TARGET_OPS ...


The xmarch and xsmlibd variables are set by my configure script if I'm
running on solaris or linux etc. 

        case $target in
            i?86-pc-linux-gnu|\
            x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)   xsmarch=lin ;
                                        xsmlibd=x86_linux.lib ;;
                
            sparc-sun-solaris*)         xsmarch=sol ;
                                        xsmlibd=sun4Solaris.lib ;;

            *)                          xsmarch=unknown ;;
        esac


I home this helps
Petter
-- 
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Article: 105982
Subject: Re: Cyclone I & II memory fmax
From: "ALuPin@web.de" <ALuPin@web.de>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 02:39:57 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Hi Martin,

where do the memory data input / write strobe/ read strobe inputs
come from, pins or registers ?=20

Rgds
Andr=E9


Article: 105983
Subject: Re: Xilinx System Generator crashes repeatedly
From: "ALuPin@web.de" <ALuPin@web.de>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 02:42:52 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,
What OS are you using ?

Rgds
Andr=E9


Article: 105984
Subject: Re: Cyclone I & II memory fmax
From: "Martin Schoeberl" <mschoebe@mail.tuwien.ac.at>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:57:43 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

>where do the memory data input / write strobe/ read strobe inputs
>come from, pins or registers ?

For the test they come from pins. Therefore, the setup and
hold times for the pins are very long, but this not the issue.
The maximum frequency is determined by the memory blocks between
the input registers (address, write data) and the memory or
output register (read data).

Martin 



Article: 105985
Subject: Xilinx PCI Core burst problem
From: "Weltraumbaer" <info@presser24.de>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 03:01:52 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,

I have designed a CardBus Design, which is very similar to pci with
full master functionality. The main aim of this card is to transfer a
huge amount of data to and from PC RAM to the CardBus card. But in
master read mode I very often get a target retry. The fact of an target
retry (in this case the pc is the target) is not abnormal but I have
scanned the pci bus and I have seen a lot of target retries in series
-> sometimes more then 100 in a row. This is absolute unacceptable due
to the poor bus performance -> so my fifo's run out of data. The common
pc memory (ram) is locked from driver and is set as non cacheable.

I hope that somebody can help me in this issue. I am not really sure if
this is a hardware or a software (driver) problem.

With kind regards
Nico Presser


Article: 105986
Subject: Re: 100m JTAG cable
From: jetmarc@hotmail.com
Date: 4 Aug 2006 03:36:00 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
>  The board will be used to test radiation tolerance techniques, but
> background radiation is too high to put a PC nearby for control. (and
> want to use it afterwards:)

If everything else fails, you might dedicate an old (disposable) PC to
this job.  Put it right next to the FPGA, and remote-control it over
ethernet with Remote Desktop (comes with WinXP).

Marc


Article: 105987
Subject: Re: Xilinx System Generator crashes repeatedly
From: mmkhajah@gmail.com
Date: 4 Aug 2006 03:55:29 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

ALuPin@web.de wrote:
> Hi,
> What OS are you using ?
>
> Rgds
> Andr=E9

Windows XP SP2.

I just wanted to add that the error dialog Matlab reports after
crashing is titled "Visual C++ Runtime Library Error".


Article: 105988
Subject: Re: RocketIO simulation in VCS
From: "Jim Wu" <jimwu88NOOOSPAM@yahoo.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 06:03:36 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Which version of ISE? Is it 32-bit or 64-bit? Last I checked,
Smartmodel is not available for the 64-bit ISE. If you use ISE 8.1
32-bit, you need to run "compxlib" first to compile the smartmodel
library and then set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH accrodingly.

HTH,
Jim
http://home.comcast.net/~jimwu88/tools/



sovan wrote:
> I am trying to simulate RocketIO MGT in VCS.  When I do
> vcs -lmc-swift-template GT_SWIFT
> it says it couldn't find libswift.so library. I am using Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux WS release 3. What files/directories should I look for
> to confirm if the SmartModel Library is installed in VCS? or any better
> way to find if VCS is setup properly for SmartModel simulation.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sovan.


Article: 105989
Subject: Re: Xilinx PCI Core burst problem
From: John_H <johnhandwork@mail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:39:41 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Weltraumbaer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have designed a CardBus Design, which is very similar to pci with
> full master functionality. The main aim of this card is to transfer a
> huge amount of data to and from PC RAM to the CardBus card. But in
> master read mode I very often get a target retry. The fact of an target
> retry (in this case the pc is the target) is not abnormal but I have
> scanned the pci bus and I have seen a lot of target retries in series
> -> sometimes more then 100 in a row. This is absolute unacceptable due
> to the poor bus performance -> so my fifo's run out of data. The common
> pc memory (ram) is locked from driver and is set as non cacheable.
> 
> I hope that somebody can help me in this issue. I am not really sure if
> this is a hardware or a software (driver) problem.
> 
> With kind regards
> Nico Presser

Use significantly larger FIFOs.  You can end up with the bus locked out 
while cache flush operations are going on or other operations that use 
the processor memory interconnect that hooks up to the PCI interface. 
If there's other PCI activity, changing the latency timer value could 
help out.  Some processors or bridges will retry a transaction rather 
than hold the bus for a first burst of a series.  Some processors take a 
memory-read-multiple as a one cache-line transaction but prefetch the 
next cache-line while others interpret the request as 2 cache-lines at 
once.  Read up on your processor's PCI interface.

Article: 105990
Subject: Raggedstone1 ADV7202 Module
From: "John Adair" <removethisthenleavejea@replacewithcompanyname.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:04:15 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
These are finally in stock for those who have been after them.

John Adair
Enterpoint Ltd. 



Article: 105991
Subject: Re: Xilinx PCI Core burst problem
From: Kolja Sulimma <news@sulimma.de>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:16:35 +0200
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
John_H wrote:
> Weltraumbaer wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have designed a CardBus Design, which is very similar to pci with
>> full master functionality. The main aim of this card is to transfer a
>> huge amount of data to and from PC RAM to the CardBus card. But in
>> master read mode I very often get a target retry. The fact of an target
>> retry (in this case the pc is the target) is not abnormal but I have
>> scanned the pci bus and I have seen a lot of target retries in series
>> -> sometimes more then 100 in a row. This is absolute unacceptable due
>> to the poor bus performance -> so my fifo's run out of data. The common
>> pc memory (ram) is locked from driver and is set as non cacheable.
>>
>> I hope that somebody can help me in this issue. I am not really sure if
>> this is a hardware or a software (driver) problem.

We learned the hard way that PCI is just not intended to read at high data rates.
Some chipset will even split a single 128-bit read (SSE2 move) of the CPU into
two PCI accesses. You can't really expect the chipset to be nicer to your expansion
board than it is to the CPU.

I would not really on getting any read bursts larger than a cache line to work without
tuning chipset specific registers.

Kolja Sulimma

Article: 105992
Subject: Re: 100m JTAG cable
From: Austin Lesea <austin@xilinx.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 07:30:48 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
That will not work,

Even an old PC has power supplies.

The first thing to pop near a radiation source is often the power
transistors in the power supplies.

Then, there is destructive SCR latch up that any device may suddenly
experience (unless the vendor has already tested it in a beam - which
for a PC is laughable).

Basically, a PC represents a collection of the least tested, most
unreliable components when it comes to neutron or proton beams.  For
heavy ions, they will fall like a house of cards, within minutes.

The above does not even cover operation without crashing.  We have seen
vendors leaving beam facilities who were unable to do any testing
because stray particles upset not only upset their components, but upset
the equipment they were trying to use to set up and measure (don't
forget the power supply for the device under test!).

We also use long cables.  The cables sometimes have to be specially
constructed, as all signals require a ground next to them to eliminate
cross talk, and coiling a cable (to store its slack) may add cross talk
right back in (the cable must remain non-overlapping).

Our longest cable is 30 meters, however, and that appears to do what we
need it to do.  We did not require any buffers, drivers, etc.  Just good
SI engineering over a long, low loss cable (yes, we ran simulations).

The other issue is that any metals in whatever is near or in the beam
may be activated (become radioactive), and storing a bunch of activated
stuff is not something that you want to discuss with your plant safety
people.  The experiments themselves are left to "cool off" (most active
isotopes to decay) for a couple of months.  I would hate to add to that
more stuff that I can't use, access, or move.

Since Xilinx is the second largest user of Los Alamos LANSCE beam time
(Intel is the first), we have been there, done that.  This also means
that if you need any information on neutrons, protons, or heavy ions,
Xilinx has all the data you need to design your system:  on the ground,
or in space.

Which as it turns out, is good, as anything from a lcd TV, to an
automobile navigation system, to a cell base station or network router
switch, will be subject to atmospheric neutrons from cosmic rays.
Knowing that Xilinx FPGAs will not undergo destructive latch up, and are
robust to upsets becomes just a matter of design, not one that will
later back-fire on you, and get you fired.

Austin

jetmarc@hotmail.com wrote:
>>  The board will be used to test radiation tolerance techniques, but
>> background radiation is too high to put a PC nearby for control. (and
>> want to use it afterwards:)
> 
> If everything else fails, you might dedicate an old (disposable) PC to
> this job.  Put it right next to the FPGA, and remote-control it over
> ethernet with Remote Desktop (comes with WinXP).
> 
> Marc
> 

Article: 105993
Subject: DDR Controller
From: "yy" <yy7d6@yahoo.com.ph>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 07:37:33 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,
I am to build a fpga system that captures data from external signals
and store it to DDR, also after the capture data must be transferred to
the PC via PCI bus via DMA or so.
So this is a CAPTURE-to-DDR  DDR-to-PCI... How is this sytem
implemented?


Article: 105994
Subject: Noob quesion about SDRAM usage.
From: drs39@cornell.edu
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:47:27 -0400
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,

I'm relatively new to FPGA programming and looking for some advice. I have
an application that needs reliable, high bandwidth (+50 MHz), access to a
few Megs worth of RAM and I am wondering how I should go about this. 

I am working with the Xilinx ML403 development board which has the Virtex-4
FX12 FPGA and 64 MB of DDR SDRAM. My intention is to implement my project
as a peripheral component of a processor system generated by EDK. The three
possible ways I have come up with for implementing this part of my project
are:

1. Use the EDK memory controller core as a separate peripheral on the PLB
and have a software application to transfer data between it and my
peripheral. This seems to be the easiest option to implement but I doubt
that it will give me the performance I need. Also it will tie up the
processor.

2. As before I could use the EDK memory controller core as a separate
peripheral on the PLB however this time I could implement my peripheral as
a master on the PLB bus. I believe that this would allow my peripheral to
directly access the SDRAM controller without interference of/with the
processor. However I do not know how difficult it is to write a PLB bus
master and I do not know how to predict how detrimental other traffic on
the PLB bus will be to the available bandwidth for my application.

3. Finally I could integrate the SDRAM controller into my peripheral. This
clearly would be the highest bandwidth solution, however it seems the most
technically complicated. 

As I mentioned I am a relative beginner with FPGA programming and am looking
for advice on how to proceed. I would also greatly appreciate any links to
example projects or documentation that might be relevant to this project.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Regards,
-Dan  

Article: 105995
Subject: Re: Cyclone I & II memory fmax
From: "Subroto Datta" <sdatta@altera.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 08:10:38 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi Martin,

The 210MHz is correct for Cyclone II M4K in SDP (simple dual port) mode
with dual, non-PLL clocks.
The speed for Cyclone II M4K in SDP mode with a single, non-PLL clock
is 235Mhz.

- Subroto Datta
Altera Corp.


Article: 105996
Subject: Re: Chipscope
From: "maxascent" <maxascent@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:33:56 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Thanks for your replies. It turns out that I needed to first program with
impact and then start chipscope. Seems a bit stupid to have to do this but
at least it works

Jon

Article: 105997
Subject: Synplify
From: "maxascent" <maxascent@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:42:47 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

I have took a Xilinx design through synplify and then started ise from
synplify to place and route. The problem is I have some coregen components
and when I try and place and route it complains about missing edif files. I
can find these files in the synplify directory but how do I tell ise about
them?

Cheers

Jon

Article: 105998
Subject: Re: Synplify
From: "John_H" <johnhandwork@mail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:58:50 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
In the Xilinx ISE GUI, right-click on Implementation or Translate in the 
Processes window, the Translate Properties include a "Macro Search Path" 
where you can browse-to and specify the directory that holds any extra edif 
or nco files.


"maxascent" <maxascent@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:Q5udnegNE8Bq907ZRVn_vA@giganews.com...
>
> I have took a Xilinx design through synplify and then started ise from
> synplify to place and route. The problem is I have some coregen components
> and when I try and place and route it complains about missing edif files. 
> I
> can find these files in the synplify directory but how do I tell ise about
> them?
>
> Cheers
>
> Jon 



Article: 105999
Subject: checking the FFT cores on Xilinx FPGAs
From: "Vivek Menon" <vivek.menon79@gmail.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 09:03:36 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,
I am using a FFT core block on Xilinx Virtex-4 FPGA. On simulating a
1024 point FFT with a 64 bit 10 MHz PRBS, I seem to see the FFT data
coming out as steps of zeros and FFs. My ADC samples this data at
1.5GHz, so the peak is at the very end of the spectrum as per Matlab
simulations
I would like to know if there are any more ways to check the FFT core
in realtime by probably giving in a 10 MHz sine wave signal.
Thanks in advance for all suggestions and feedback,
Vivek




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