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Out of curiosity: I am currently studying some problems which require many population- count operations ov various sizes. I have used population count in a course I taught last year, as it can demonstrate various design styles (function, recursive function, nested GENERATE statements, etc.) in VHDL. I used a tree of full adders and the performance on a Spartan 3 as reported by the xilinx tools was moderate (using pipelining). * I think that one should get a much faster implementation even on an FPGA if one uses redundant representations very much like multipliers do (which do essentially several population circuits of the partial products). So, FPGA-experts: is that true, from which pipeline depth/input size is it worth? How is the cost/performance compared to an full-adder implementation? Theoreticians: I could not find a complexity expression for this operation. But it sounds like textbook knowledge. Maybe I have the wrong textbooks. AndreasArticle: 124326
comp.arch.fpga wrote: (snip) > But to give you the benefit of doubt and return to your orginal > question: > Smith-Waterman hardware implementations instantiate tens of thousands > of identical state machines. Like the ones that Paracel used to build and sell as real systems? > Oh, wait, the implentation that we used had not reset. Damn. Which one was that? -- glenArticle: 124327
On Sep 17, 12:14 pm, "Amontec, Larry" <laurent.ga...@ANTI- SPAMamontec.com> wrote: > Hi > > We are searching a small CPLD gate count like a coolrunner 128. > > - Two IO banks 1.4V to 3.3V with 5V tolerant > - VCC should be 3.3V or 1.8V > > The 5V tolerant is important ! > > Volume : 5000 - 10000 pces > > Any CPLDs ? > > Regards, > Laurent Laurent; 1) The Xilinx XC9500XL CPLDs have a VCCint of 3.3v; I/Os accept 5V, 3.3V, and 2.5V inputs; outputs 2.5v or 3.3v signals; each I/O has input hysteresis (all info from Xilinx datasheet). XC95144XL is closest part to your needs. Altera probably has something similar. 2) Use CRII along with voltage translators. -Dave PollumArticle: 124328
Symon wrote: > "Weng Tianxiang" <wtxwtx@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1189988802.612765.289620@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > >>Weng >> > > > IF OP = "Weng Tianxiang" AND group = comp_arch_fpga THEN > be_prepared_for_a_long_thread; > ORIF crossposted = to_comp_lang_vhdl THEN > this_could_go_on_all_week; > ANDIF both_the_above THEN > make_that_a_month; > BUTIF plonk! THEN > blessed_relief; > ELSIF experiences < imagination THEN > OP_question <= not(sense); > ELSE > possibly_on_topic; > END IF; > > HTH., Syms. ;-) > > p.s. Sorry, couldn't resist it! :) Whoa - hang on there, Syms !!!! What's this ANDIF, BUTIF ?!?! You can't use that until there has been a long discussion first ?! ;) ( I like the sound of the BUTIF, you might be onto something there... ) -jgArticle: 124329
"acd" <acd4usenet@lycos.de> wrote in message news:1190142006.209627.97610@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > Out of curiosity: > I am currently studying some problems which require many population- > count operations > ov various sizes. > > I have used population count in a course I taught last year, as it > can demonstrate various design styles (function, recursive function, > nested GENERATE statements, etc.) in VHDL. > I used a tree of full adders and the performance on a Spartan 3 as > reported by the xilinx > tools was moderate (using pipelining). * > I think that one should get a much faster implementation even on an > FPGA > if one uses redundant representations very much like multipliers do > (which > do essentially several population circuits of the partial products). > > So, FPGA-experts: is that true, from which pipeline depth/input size > is it worth? > How is the cost/performance compared to an full-adder implementation? > > Theoreticians: I could not find a complexity expression for this > operation. > But it sounds like textbook knowledge. Maybe I have the wrong > textbooks. > > Andreas Is your task looking at one input vector, determining which of many population counts need to be incremented and providing the many counts to the user after the full population represented by the input vectors have been processed? Counters are fast and simple in FPGAs, at least when compared to the logic used to determine what counters need to be incremented in the first place. A little more elaboration on the specific needs would be helpful; if I'm far off base it's because I don't yet understand what you're trying to accomplish and what basic limitations you're trying to design around. - John_HArticle: 124330
John_H wrote: > "Amontec, Larry" <laurent.gauch@ANTI-SPAMamontec.com> wrote in message > news:46eeb60f$1_6@news.bluewin.ch... > >>Hi >> >>We are searching a small CPLD gate count like a coolrunner 128. >> >>- Two IO banks 1.4V to 3.3V with 5V tolerant >>- VCC should be 3.3V or 1.8V >> >>The 5V tolerant is important ! >> >>Volume : 5000 - 10000 pces >> >>Any CPLDs ? >> >>Regards, >>Laurent > > > For my own senseless curiosity, would you mind mentioning the application? > I'm wondering what new designs require the way-over-the-hill 5V standard. > The continuing requirements for 5V interfaces baffle me. 5V is not over the hill at all, and is actually making a comeback. Look at the newest microcontrollers in the Automotive sector, 5V dominates. Look at the newest uC devices from Silabs (C8051F530) and Freescale RS08 - both these are advanced process parts, and use on-chip regulators to power the core. So the IC vendor solves the problem, not the customer. The trend to lower voltages is process-driven, not customer driven, and it is the laziness of the suppliers, that makes this a customer problem. - but it can be solved, with a little more effort, and that is what is happening now in the Automotive sector. Now the FPGA sector has problems with absolute power, but with the CPLD it is possible. CPLD with regulators do exist, ( just pretty poor Icc regulators ) and CPLD are more likely to do 'interface tasks', similar to uC, than FPGA. Try driving a Power MOSFET from 3.3V device ! Also 5V sensore are common, and give best ADC noise immunity. -jgArticle: 124331
Amontec, Larry wrote: > Hi > > We are searching a small CPLD gate count like a coolrunner 128. > > - Two IO banks 1.4V to 3.3V with 5V tolerant > - VCC should be 3.3V or 1.8V > > The 5V tolerant is important ! > > Volume : 5000 - 10000 pces > > Any CPLDs ? Choices are Atmel ATF1508ASL - 5V, and lowish power, but not 1.4V bank. Older Coolrunner parts are 5V, but not 1.4V Lattice spec 5V tolerant, but with a strange count-limit. (how does one pin know/care, how many other pins are at 5V ?) Atmel ATF1504BE (ATF1508BE soon) - does not have clamp diodes to VccIO, and OD-ESD fires at ~5.6V, but they do not spec continual 5V operation. Can you clarify the '5V tolerant' details ? -jgArticle: 124332
On 18 Sep., 21:52, "John_H" <newsgr...@johnhandwork.com> wrote: > Is your task looking at one input vector, determining which of many > population counts need to be incremented and providing the many counts to > the user after the full population represented by the input vectors have > been processed? Sorry, I thought the term "population count" was clear. I mean counting the number of ones in a given input vector. In this case, I want a pipelined circuit which can process a new input vector every clock cycle, giving the result a fixed number of cycles later at the output. As mentioned, a tree of adders with increasing width would do it. But I think using only a full adder at the last stage may be faster/ cheaper. AndreasArticle: 124333
"acd" <acd4usenet@lycos.de> wrote in message news:1190147124.046912.180750@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > On 18 Sep., 21:52, "John_H" <newsgr...@johnhandwork.com> wrote: >> Is your task looking at one input vector, determining which of many >> population counts need to be incremented and providing the many counts to >> the user after the full population represented by the input vectors have >> been processed? > > Sorry, I thought the term "population count" was clear. > I mean counting the number of ones in a given input vector. > In this case, I want a pipelined circuit which can process a new input > vector every clock cycle, giving the result a fixed number of cycles > later at the output. > As mentioned, a tree of adders with increasing width would do it. > But I think using only a full adder at the last stage may be faster/ > cheaper. > > Andreas Thanks for the clarification. What's the size of your N? A simple pipelined tree will give you speed limited by the largest register-to-register adder which is pretty good. Do you need a higher speed still? When Altera and Xilinx had maximum speeds just over 100 MHz, I had a "ones counter" that digested 32 bits at a time differently in the two architectures where my maximum frequency was a high 90 MHz. The implementation was different for the two approaches to leverage some Altera logic paths that were faster than I could get with simple adders. For where FPGAs are now, I woulnd't expect the different flow to produce any significant gain, especially for larger N. My recollection is the alternate approach's delays went up linearly with N while the pipelined tree goes up as log(N). The approach wasn't something I found in a book but was home-grown. There are other ways, but your absolute "best" implementation depends on your requirements for N, for speed, and for latency. - John_HArticle: 124334
John_H wrote: > "Amontec, Larry" <laurent.gauch@ANTI-SPAMamontec.com> wrote in message > news:46eeb60f$1_6@news.bluewin.ch... > >>Hi >> >>We are searching a small CPLD gate count like a coolrunner 128. >> >>- Two IO banks 1.4V to 3.3V with 5V tolerant >>- VCC should be 3.3V or 1.8V >> >>The 5V tolerant is important ! >> >>Volume : 5000 - 10000 pces >> >>Any CPLDs ? >> >>Regards, >>Laurent > > > For my own senseless curiosity, would you mind mentioning the application? > I'm wondering what new designs require the way-over-the-hill 5V standard. > The continuing requirements for 5V interfaces baffle me. > > Well, OK, here's one: We have a custom ASIC made through MOSIS in the 5V AMIS C5N process. It has 16 channels of traditional nuclear instrumentation front end, everything but the ADC. We are aiming for 14-bit resolution, and getting a real 12+ bits through the entire system. So, we use the 5V analog range to help us meet the 14-bit requirement. Admittedly, we are pushing CMOS just about as far as you can go for dynamic range. We have a 5V Xilinx CPLD on each board with two of the ASICs, and a 5V Spartan on the motherboard to decode and assemble control signals. JonArticle: 124335
Weng Tianxiang wrote: > > I cannot guess the largest number of state machines you have written > for a design, but I know clearly the number of state machines you may > have written in a design is less than 100k. Any question? More questions? you still have not answered older ones !? Here is my question again : So are you talking about a Silicon Ceiling, or a Software Ceiling ? Since a single FF_CE can be considered a state machine, the silicon limit will vary with FPGA, and be higher than any practical requirement. If there is some lower SW ceiling (that will clearly be SW release dependant) then that only matters, if it is below someone's real design needs. -jgArticle: 124336
On Sep 18, 4:29 pm, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: > acd wrote: > > I am currently studying some problems which require many population- > > count operations of various sizes. > > I have used population count in a course I taught last year, as it > > can demonstrate various design styles (function, recursive function, > > nested GENERATE statements, etc.) in VHDL. > > I used a tree of full adders and the performance on a Spartan 3 as > > reported by the xilinx tools was moderate (using pipelining). * > > I think that one should get a much faster implementation even on an > > FPGA if one uses redundant representations very much like > > > multipliers do (which do essentially several population circuits > > of the partial products). > > The full adder tree is known as a carry save adder tree. > > As far as I know, it is the best for large N, and assuming that > a full adder is a reasonable logic unit. > > For FPGAs with LUTs with other than three inputs, and for not > so large N, it might be that there are other implementations, > but I don't believe they are all that much better. > > For not so large N, it is the boundary cases that become significant, > similar to the problem of how many circles you can fit inside a > given sized square without overlapping, as the size of the square > increases. > > With 4 input LUTs, two implemented as full adders will convert > three inputs into a two bit (ones and twos) output. Three will > convert four bits into three outputs (ones, twos, fours). > When N isn't so large, in many cases the number on inputs > needed at a given level is not a multiple of three, and the > four input LUTs can be useful. > > I don't believe the result will be much faster, (in number > of logic stages), but might use fewer LUTs. > > The last one I did only needed to output 0, 1, 2, 3 or more, which > simplified the logic a little (but not a lot) from 36 inputs. > > -- glen In addition to this, if you have block rams that you are not using for anything else, they can be used for a look up table. Four 16K by 1 bit block rams would give you the population count of a 14 bit vector. They can also be combined with the LUTs for a hybrid solution. Regards, John McCaskill www.fastertechnology.comArticle: 124337
acd wrote: > I am currently studying some problems which require many population- > count operations of various sizes. > I have used population count in a course I taught last year, as it > can demonstrate various design styles (function, recursive function, > nested GENERATE statements, etc.) in VHDL. > I used a tree of full adders and the performance on a Spartan 3 as > reported by the xilinx tools was moderate (using pipelining). * > I think that one should get a much faster implementation even on an > FPGA if one uses redundant representations very much like > multipliers do (which do essentially several population circuits > of the partial products). The full adder tree is known as a carry save adder tree. As far as I know, it is the best for large N, and assuming that a full adder is a reasonable logic unit. For FPGAs with LUTs with other than three inputs, and for not so large N, it might be that there are other implementations, but I don't believe they are all that much better. For not so large N, it is the boundary cases that become significant, similar to the problem of how many circles you can fit inside a given sized square without overlapping, as the size of the square increases. With 4 input LUTs, two implemented as full adders will convert three inputs into a two bit (ones and twos) output. Three will convert four bits into three outputs (ones, twos, fours). When N isn't so large, in many cases the number on inputs needed at a given level is not a multiple of three, and the four input LUTs can be useful. I don't believe the result will be much faster, (in number of logic stages), but might use fewer LUTs. The last one I did only needed to output 0, 1, 2, 3 or more, which simplified the logic a little (but not a lot) from 36 inputs. -- glenArticle: 124338
Mike Treseler wrote: (I wrote) >>I thought the tools would synthesize the appropriate MUX given >>tristate buffer logic. They probably do that better than >>explicitly programmed MUX logic. > I would expect the same utilization for either description. > The question is which description is easier for > the designer to write and test. > That of course, depends on the designer. Someone from Xilinx posted a method that uses the FF's in the FPGA to do this. I presume that only works if the output is registered, but it does seem to be an interesting solution. I doubt it will generate that from explicit MUX logic, though. Also, the cases with more than one selected at the same time should be "don't care" states, which MUX logic might not take into consideration. -- glenArticle: 124339
On Sep 18, 12:08 pm, "MJ Pearson" <mjp...@york.ac.uk> wrote: > >On 13 Set, 14:21, "MJ Pearson" <mjp...@york.ac.uk> wrote: > >> Hello, > > >> I am using the xilinx virtex II development board xupv2p. I have built > an > >> expansion board that connects to the high speed expansion port, and > >> delivers information from a camera. In ISE, I have produced what I > think > >> is a working piece of vhdl to synchronise the camera data (there will > be 2 > >> data sets incoming) to the FPGA clock. > > >> What I would like to do is just read out this incoming data so I can > check > >> it. My idea was to use a microblaze processor - I will need one to do > some > >> processing at a later stage, and just do a printf to write the data to > >> hyper-terminal. > > >> I used the create / import peripheral wizard, and have been hacking > the > >> user_logic file to incorporate my synchronization design. I am a bit > >> unsure of ports though - do I have any user ports - are these the > input > >> pins??? I have altered the UCF file to assign the pins of the > expansion > >> port to my inputs in my vhdl file. Should I write this data to a slave > >> register?? > > >> Then in my C file, is it just a simple read and printf procedure. > > >> Any help / ideas I'd be grateful, > > >> Thanks > > >> Marc. > > >Hi, > >I don't know if I have understood your point but it seems to me that > >you want to print data coming from a camera. > > >If so, you should create a peripheral (like you have already done) > >with some SW registers. This registers are the interface between the > >peripheral and the microcontroller. The additional ports of your > >peripheral will be the interface between the peripheral itself and the > >camera. > >So your IP, once acquired the desired data, should write something to > >a register so that you can read it from the microprocessor. Probably > >you also need to write a simple driver (in C language) to find if > >there's someting new in the register, read the register and so on (the > >driver isn't strictly necessary). > >Googoling around you'll find all the details. > > >Hope this help a little. > > >Andrea > > Thanks for the reply. > > Have got (a little) further with this.... > > I have made a number of external input ports for the inputs from my > camera(s). I have altered the ucf file, mpd, mhs... > > I used the create / import peripheral wizard, and as mentioned have > altered the user_logic.vhdl file. Do I need to map my external ports on > the peripheral .vhdl file (created by the wizard)? > > I get an error when I build the netlist: > > ERROR:MDT - HDL synthesis failed! > INFO:MDT - Refer to > > C:\MATLAB\R2006a\work\edkStuff\periphWizard\synthesis\camtoleds_0_wrapper_xst > .srp for details > > ERROR:MDT - platgen failed with errors! > > Looking at the .srp file : > > Formal CAM1_I_0 of entity with no default value must be associated with an > actual value. > > CAM1_I_0 is an input port in my user logic .vhdl file. Which I have (think > I have) mapped to an external pin via my ucf file: > > UCF snippet: > NET "CAM_IN_0_pin" LOC = "AE5"; > NET "CAM_IN_0_pin" IOSTANDARD = LVTTL; > > MHS: > PORT CAM1_I_0 = CAM_IN_0 > > .mpd: > PORT CAM1_I_0 = "", DIR = I > > Sorry if all this sounds pathetic, I have no idea how to fix that error, I > am a bit lost!! You may want to look at the "Platform Specification Format Reference Manual" a.k.a. UG131. It is included with EDK and is located at $EDK/ doc/psf_rm.pdf. Take a look at the section on ports, and the key word IOB_STATE. In your .mpd, you have not specified the IOB_STATE, so it will default to INFER, which will cause EDK to instantiate its own IBUF in the top level VHDL file. If you had an IBUF already in your code, this would cause a problem. I don't know if it would cause the problem you are seeing. If that is not it, read through the psf_rm, it describes how all the EDK files work. Regards, John McCaskill www.fastertechnology.comArticle: 124340
acd wrote: (snip) > Sorry, I thought the term "population count" was clear. > I mean counting the number of ones in a given input vector. > In this case, I want a pipelined circuit which can process a new input > vector every clock cycle, giving the result a fixed number of cycles > later at the output. > As mentioned, a tree of adders with increasing width would do it. > But I think using only a full adder at the last stage may be faster/ > cheaper. What do you mean by faster? Depending on your clock rate, you might do more than one stage of adders between pipeline latches. That will give you the result sooner. In most FPGAs there are more latches than needed, so there is no savings. It might be that some design could use slightly less logic (LUTs), but it won't be a lot less. As someone else mentioned, using block RAMs, if you have them available, might help. Otherwise, if your clock rate is slow you might be able to reuse some of the logic. That is, trade speed for logic using a faster clock on the pipeline registers than the data input. -- glenArticle: 124341
On Sep 18, 11:43 am, "John_H" <newsgr...@johnhandwork.com> wrote: > "Weng Tianxiang" <wtx...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1190135851.404698.228480@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > > > Hi, > > 1. I am talking about GUESSING the largest number of state machines a > > current finished design may have. Not ceiling. > > My official guess: > light blue. Hi John_H, 1. The guessing is missing target. 2. The design falls in every person's blind point who have responded to the post so far. WengArticle: 124342
On Sep 19, 12:34 am, "Sylvain Munaut <Some...@SomeDomain.com>" <246...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 18, 5:35 pm, Allan Herriman <allanherri...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Since the initial rash of AES / Rijndael cores a few years ago, I > > haven't seen much research at the high speed end. > > > Does anyone know how low the latency is for a recent high-end core in > > a current FPGA family? > > A quick web search reveals plenty of heavily pipelined implementations > > with poor latency, but none that are really quick in terms of latency. > > > Thanks, > > Allan > > What kind of frequency / latency are you looking for ? > > Most core can pretty easily be "de-pipelinined" to diminish > latency but degrade frequency ... > > Sylvain I realized the AES algorithm several months ago and tried to find out the highest frequency. However, using the GF calculation, the cost of FPGA resource may be less.Article: 124343
On Sep 18, 5:31 pm, Jon Beniston <j...@beniston.com> wrote: > On 18 Sep, 07:33, aravind <aramos...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, im implementing a 16bit bus along the lines of AMBA APB for some > > of my peripherals like IDE ATA controller, LCD dsplay controller, ftdi > > usb interface etc. But i found that xilinx spartan devices have no > > internal tristate buffers. > > I have a dozen or more peripherals to connect. Any idea of how i can > > implement this? > > > thanks, > > aravind > > As the others have said, use muxes on chip. Also, doesn't AMBA APB > uses muxes anyway? > > Cheers, > Jon True, AMBA 2.0 suggests we could use separate read and write data buses. There shouldn't be a problem for write data bus. but for Read , multiple peripherals will be driving the PRDATA signals of AMBA APB controller. Anyway multiplexing seems to be the only way to implement it. Just wondering, What approach do ASICs, Processors etc use these days when a tristate bus is ruled out?Article: 124344
On Sep 18, 5:07 pm, Weng Tianxiang <wtx...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 18, 11:43 am, "John_H" <newsgr...@johnhandwork.com> wrote: > > > "Weng Tianxiang" <wtx...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:1190135851.404698.228480@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > > > > Hi, > > > 1. I am talking about GUESSING the largest number of state machines a > > > current finished design may have. Not ceiling. > > > My official guess: > > light blue. > > Hi John_H, > 1. The guessing is missing target. > 2. The design falls in every person's blind point who have responded > to the post so far. > > Weng I guess 28.Article: 124345
I encountered the same error recently when I tried to create a custom IP for EDK that has a INOUT data bus. How I remove the error is by moving my tri-state buffers from the IP VHDL codes to the MHS file. In this way, I have 3 signals for the data bus, data_I, data_O and data_T from the IP. Apparently, EDK handles the bidirectional signal in the MHS file. For syntax example, you can refer to EDK IP, IIC(or was it I2C) bus controller's MPD and the project MHS after you've added the IIC bus controller. Disclaimer : I manage to remove the error and generate the bitstream, but as I don't have the hardware to test. This method was not tested. Hope this help. Cheers! lionheart70Article: 124346
Weng Tianxiang wrote: > On Sep 18, 11:43 am, "John_H" <newsgr...@johnhandwork.com> wrote: >> "Weng Tianxiang" <wtx...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1190135851.404698.228480@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... >> >>> Hi, >>> 1. I am talking about GUESSING the largest number of state machines a >>> current finished design may have. Not ceiling. >> My official guess: >> light blue. > > Hi John_H, > 1. The guessing is missing target. > 2. The design falls in every person's blind point who have responded > to the post so far. > > Weng To the extent that my guess is as applicable as anyone elses guess, I stand behind it. You are asking a seriously senseless question and frankly I'm tired of watching the thread drone on and on and on so I just added a little to it because of the absurdity. Who cares?!Article: 124347
Hi Allan, the minimum latency of an AES-Core (at a reasonable clock frequency) is limited by the number of rounds (iterations) needed. That number depends mainly on the keylength. 128 Bit Key : Round Number 10 192 Bit Key : Round Number 12 256 Bit Key : Round Number 14 There is an initial Round 0, but the latency of that can be eliminated by design. So the latency for a simple AES-128 Core will always be at least 10 clock cycles. If you have enough chip area to unroll the rounds, only the initial latency (for the first conversion) needs that number of clock cycles. All following blocks are calculated on each following clock cycle because of the data pipelining in the unrolled architecture. You may take a look at this paper: http://www.i3m.hs-bremen.de/internet/download/elis/aes_i3m_overview.pdf Please keep in mind that the clock frequencies given in this paper are examples only for the old Virtex-E FPGAs. Actual FPGAs perform much better. Best regards Eilert Allan Herriman schrieb: > Hi, > > Since the initial rash of AES / Rijndael cores a few years ago, I > haven't seen much research at the high speed end. > > Does anyone know how low the latency is for a recent high-end core in > a current FPGA family? > A quick web search reveals plenty of heavily pipelined implementations > with poor latency, but none that are really quick in terms of latency. > > Thanks, > AllanArticle: 124348
On 18 Sep., 19:17, Weng Tianxiang <wtx...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > 1. I am talking about GUESSING the largest number of state machines a > current finished design may have. Not ceiling. But you do not react if someone answers your question. Can you beat the 10k+ state machines of a smith-waterman DNA matcher? > 3. A synchronous or an asynchronous reset signal is vital, either with > clear routing or a hidden within other procedures. Again, you did not read my post. Many state machines have no reset signal. For example the reset signal of a JTAG controller is optional. This is a state machine that is implemented in virtually every complex piece of silicon out there. Kolja SulimmaArticle: 124349
"John McCaskill" <jhmccaskill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1190150345.057393.118080@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 18, 4:29 pm, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: >> acd wrote: > > In addition to this, if you have block rams that you are not using for > anything else, they can be used for a look up table. Four 16K by 1 > bit block rams would give you the population count of a 14 bit > vector. They can also be combined with the LUTs for a hybrid > solution. > > Regards, > > John McCaskill > www.fastertechnology.com > ...furthermore, you can do 28 bits if you're prepared to add the outputs of the two ports of the dual port RAMs. HTH., Syms.
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