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Article: 95125
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:41:19 -0600
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
David R Brooks wrote:

> Richard Owlett wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>> I remember a sophomore EE lab requiring us to design a 1 transistor 
>> amp. MANY of my classmates were going to supply tech requesting better 
>> than 1% tolerance on bias resistors. Had reason to suspect they had 
>> similar problems later.
> 
> 
> I had a corresponding experience in my first job (some 35 years ago). 
> Newly qualified, I was asked to design a simple Colpitts oscillator: 1 
> transistor, around 2MHz. I fished out my slide-rule, & prepared for a 
> heavy afternoon's maths.
> My mentor stepped in, & said (in effect) "I know that's how they teach 
> you in Uni, but it's not how we do it in the real world". His design 
> logic went:
> 1. Supply voltage = 9V (that's what we've got available)
> 2. Transistor = BC109 (the stores are knee-deep in them)
> 3. Ic = 5mA (known by experience to work well)
> 4. Bias chain current = Ic/10 (ditto)
> 5. Vb = Vcc/3 (ditto)
> Now solve out the resistors, & give me a parts list.
> 
> He signed the list, I took it to the stores & got the bits, & 20 minutes 
> later, the oscillator was running.
> 
> Theory vs Practice.
> 
> "Theory: when you understand all about it, but can't make it work."
> "Practice: when it works, but no-one knows why."
> - Seen in a German office, 1974 (translation mine)

Now you've got me going on reminisces ;}
A later class required design of horizontal sweep for an oscilloscope.
I was lazy and asked myself what portion of exponential met linearity 
spec. Lab instructor came by to view my test data. He said "Oh you chose 
a Miller run up." I said "NO. Just an RC". That semester was fun. My 
father was a practicing EE even though is degree was ME. [Back in 20's 
an EE meant 60 cps power but an ME got more background in what we now 
consider to be EE. If he were still alive, he would enjoy this discussion.]


Article: 95126
Subject: Re: need for a group FAQ?
From: Brian Drummond <brian_drummond@btconnect.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:42:55 +0000 (UTC)
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:14:35 -0000, "Symon" <symon_brewer@hotmail.com>
wrote:

><comp.arch.fpga.FAQ@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:1137789842.944573.325940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>>
>> Just cross-check the newsgroup and the FAQ and
>> you will notice that people does not seem to care much about that
>> site.Besides, it's on Fliptronics site. They can take it down when ever
>> they want.
>>
>Good point. I wouldn't trust them either. Probably run by some dodgy 
>fly-by-night bloke.

I can hear Philip laughing from here.

(in case it's not obvious: he's left it up for about a decade to my
knowledge, maybe longer. I don't think he's in a hurry to take it down)

- Brian


Article: 95127
Subject: Modelsim problem
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Jaime_Andr=E9s_Aranguren_Cardona?=" <jaime.aranguren@gmail.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 17:01:12 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,

I am using ModelSim SE Plus 5.7d. VHDL code compiles and loads fine.
However, if I use the "add wave *" command, ModelSim smply quits,
regardless of what I put in the "*" field.
Invoking it from FpgaAdvantage 6.1 shows me the following:


Performing hierarchical generation through components...
Checking which design units need saving
Incrementally generating HDL...

. . .
Generation completed successfully.
--------------------------------------------------------
Comparing HDL files with compiled files ...

  Current working directory is C:/FPGAdv61/Hds/bin

Executing data preparation plug-in for ModelSim 5.5 - 5.7

Nothing to compile - design is up to date
Data preparation step completed, check transcript...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reading C:/FPGAdv61/Modeltech/tcl/vsim/pref.tcl
Reading C:/FPGAdv61/Hds/resources/downstream/modelsim/hdsInit.tc_
Connected to HDS
# Attempting stack trace sig 11
# Signal caught: signo [11]
# vsim_stacktrace.vstf written
# Current time Fri Jan 20 19:54:08 2006
# ModelSim Stack Trace
# Program = vsim
# Id = "5.7d"
# Version = "2003.05"
# Date = "May 10 2003"
# Platform = win32
# 0    0x00511e4f: '<unknown (@0x511e4f)> + 0x6aaef'
# 1    0x00511e99: '<unknown (@0x511e99)> + 0x6ab39'

# Corrupt Call Stack

** Fatal: (SIGSEGV) Bad pointer access. Closing vsim.
** Fatal: vsim is exiting with code 211.
(Exit codes are defined in the ModelSim messages appendix
of the ModelSim User's Manual.)

How can I solve this?

Regards,

JaaC


Article: 95128
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:02:16 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:40:59 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:36:54 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:11:30 +0000, Pooh Bear
>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>>
>>>Depends on how you define literacy I guess. The ability to read a
>>>McDonald's menu perhaps ?
>>>
>>>Graham
>>
>>Naaah!  How to press the buttons on a McD cash register ;-)
>>
>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>
>Don't the buttons have pictures of the food on them? 

Yes.  My point exactly.  Without the pictures your standard McD drone
would be dead in the water.

BTW, I don't go to McD's.  Last one I was in was 12 years ago in
Germany.  I was down to dollars only and needed some D-Marks.  McD's
would take dollars and give back change in D-Marks, so I walked in,
bought a cup of coffee and handed over a $20 ;-)

>In some overseas
>McD  restaurants they have laminated cards with pictures of the food
>items on them so that illiterates who only know English and not the
>local language can order unhealthy food. I did some work for a major
>equipment supplier of a certain large clown related restaurant chain-
>they have very high standards on how simple the devices have to be to
>operate. I think the alphas are the ones at the counter- the
>epsilon-minus ones can, at times, if present, be found in back. 
>
>Thank goodness most of us use Arabic numerals at least sometimes, so
>most people on earth can understand them. 
>
>
>Best regards, 
>Spehro Pefhany

My favorite stunt in a checkout line...

Cash register total shows (e.g.) $20.26

Hand boy/girl $21.00

After he/she rings it in, hand over 1  

And watch 'em squirm ;-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
|  Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
|  Phoenix, Arizona            Voice:(480)460-2350  |             |
|  E-mail Address at Website     Fax:(480)460-2142  |  Brass Rat  |
|       http://www.analog-innovations.com           |    1962     |
             
     It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

Article: 95129
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:55 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:40:59 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:36:54 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:11:30 +0000, Pooh Bear
>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:13:22 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
>>>> <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>Any country that admits as many immigrants as we do, will have a high
>>>> >>illiteracy rate. Besides, some countries just lie about it. Do you
>>>> >>really think Cuba's literacy rate is 99%?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>John
>>>> >
>>>> >Ten times the illiteracy of Iceland? It's possible, although the CIA
>>>> >only admits to similar literacy levels to the US (97%), which is far
>>>> >worse than what they say about France and Germany (99%). They also say
>>>> >99.8% for Poland and 99% for the UK. Cuba has sunk a lot of resources
>>>> >into literacy since the sixties, and have exported their training
>>>> >methods to greatly improve literacy in some of the poorer Mexican
>>>> >states.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think a 99% literacy rate is neurologically possible, much
>>>> less 99.9.
>>>
>>>Depends on how you define literacy I guess. The ability to read a
>>>McDonald's menu perhaps ?
>>>
>>>Graham
>>
>>Naaah!  How to press the buttons on a McD cash register ;-)
>>
>>                                        ...Jim Thompson
>
>Don't the buttons have pictures of the food on them? 


That's nothing. My computer screen, and all the programs I run, are
covered with little picture buttons. You don't have to be literate to
operate a word processor program!

John



Article: 95130
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:12:08 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello Richard,

> 
> So just what does "a degree from a university" really mean?
> 
> Yesterday I heard a news report that questioned whether or not average 
> US college graduates were even literate -- their test criterion was 
> related to reading product labels/instructions [I was driving at time so 
> I was paying attention to other things ;]
> 

I don't know how it is today but in my days a masters degree meant that 
you were very literate and had a rock solid knowledge base all the way 
to Maxwell's equations. Else you would not hold that degree. IIRC only 
about 17% of the year when I started made it. They had the "three 
strikes rule". If you flunked an exam you could repeat once. Only one 
exam could be attempted a third time and you had to request special 
permission for that. Fail it again and you were out for good. Oh, and 
that repeat exam came with the "exitement" of an aural where you were 
grilled by the professor for a half hour or so. And no Xanax or Zoloft 
or whatever in those days.

That's very different from some multiple choice tests that ask you how 
many appointees there are on a licensing board.

> 
> As to PE license, it's irrelevant to reality if not legality.
> I don't know how it is now.


Still is, in most states, due to the industry exemption. Take that away 
and that state will slide down into the technological abyss.

I have also had the "pleasure" to share your experiences WRT to young 
grads. Universities still do not teach much practical engineering and 
the kids today are not creative anymore in the ways we were. The demise 
of Heathkit and those cool electronics surplus stores in town is an 
indicator of that. Licensing is not going to make that situation any 
better. Not by one iota. It would make it worse by taking older 
engineers with real experience but non-ABET course work out of the work 
force. Engineers who would then probably sue those agencies into oblivion.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Article: 95131
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:13:02 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>



> Well it's not for a lack of interest on this European's part, I can tell 
> you.
> Attractive, slim, intelligent, single women are scarce in the UK.

You mean a woman low on estrogen and high on testosterone.

> 
> Maybe they don't have a problem with ugly fat stupid or married women in the 
> USA?
> 
> I guess being slightly plump is the least of these turn-offs.
> 
> Perhaps that explains the high obesity rates in the USA?


Sounds like your problems are more serious than you think; looking women 
over with a microscope at your age is indicative of arrested development.


Article: 95132
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:38:20 +0000, the renowned Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Steve Moulding wrote:
>
>> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:43D17084.F72CB119@hotmail.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > John Larkin wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:40:48 +0100, Blade <hun@hun.kom> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Strange. I always thought that Europe is declining because we are trying
>> >> >to follow the foolish american social model.
>> >>
>> >> Europe is declining because Europeans aren't breeding.
>> >
>> > I fail to see what the population has to do with this supposed decline.
>> >
>> > Could you elaborate ?
>> >
>> > Graham
>> >
>>
>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760
>
>Hmmm... 'opinionionjournal' ! You do realise that the USA is very badly informed
>generally about the realities in Europe ? Also, I bet the writer has some
>spurious 'agenda' that influences his writing. It is simply *opinion* and badly
>informed opinion at that.
>
>Graham

The WSJ is a neo-con controlled publication-- like the Telegraph in
the UK, only much worse. 


Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany
-- 
"it's the network..."                          "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com             Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog  Info for designers:  http://www.speff.com

Article: 95133
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:21:13 -0600
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Joerg wrote:

> Hello David,
> 
> 
>> My mentor stepped in, & said (in effect) "I know that's how they teach 
>> you in Uni, but it's not how we do it in the real world". His design 
>> logic went:
>> 1. Supply voltage = 9V (that's what we've got available)
>> 2. Transistor = BC109 (the stores are knee-deep in them)
>> 3. Ic = 5mA (known by experience to work well)
>> 4. Bias chain current = Ic/10 (ditto)
>> 5. Vb = Vcc/3 (ditto)
>> Now solve out the resistors, & give me a parts list.
>>
>> He signed the list, I took it to the stores & got the bits, & 20 
>> minutes later, the oscillator was running.
>>
>> Theory vs Practice.
> 
> 
> 
> 'tis how it's done.
> 
> 
>> "Theory: when you understand all about it, but can't make it work."
>> "Practice: when it works, but no-one knows why."
>> - Seen in a German office, 1974 (translation mine)
> 
> 
> 
> One engineer on another newsgroup has a tag line that sums it up better. 
> Something like "Engineering is the art of making things you want from 
> parts you can get".
> 

Jerry Avins' tag line reads "Engineering is the art of making what you 
want from things you can get. "

Article: 95134
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:26:43 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:55 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>
>That's nothing. My computer screen, and all the programs I run, are
>covered with little picture buttons. You don't have to be literate to
>operate a word processor program!
>
>John

More's the pity. Remember when "Desktop Publishing" was introduced? It
took a while for all the templates and so on to be introduced so that
people were not shooting themselves in the foot with the new tools. 



Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany
-- 
"it's the network..."                          "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com             Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog  Info for designers:  http://www.speff.com

Article: 95135
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:27:22 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello David,


> My mentor stepped in, & said (in effect) "I know that's how they teach 
> you in Uni, but it's not how we do it in the real world". His design 
> logic went:
> 1. Supply voltage = 9V (that's what we've got available)
> 2. Transistor = BC109 (the stores are knee-deep in them)
> 3. Ic = 5mA (known by experience to work well)
> 4. Bias chain current = Ic/10 (ditto)
> 5. Vb = Vcc/3 (ditto)
> Now solve out the resistors, & give me a parts list.
> 
> He signed the list, I took it to the stores & got the bits, & 20 minutes 
> later, the oscillator was running.
> 
> Theory vs Practice.


'tis how it's done.


> "Theory: when you understand all about it, but can't make it work."
> "Practice: when it works, but no-one knows why."
> - Seen in a German office, 1974 (translation mine)


One engineer on another newsgroup has a tag line that sums it up better. 
Something like "Engineering is the art of making things you want from 
parts you can get".

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Article: 95136
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:27:55 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:38:20 +0000, the renowned Pooh Bear
><rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Steve Moulding wrote:
>>
>>> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:43D17084.F72CB119@hotmail.com...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John Larkin wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:40:48 +0100, Blade <hun@hun.kom> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Strange. I always thought that Europe is declining because we are trying
>>> >> >to follow the foolish american social model.
>>> >>
>>> >> Europe is declining because Europeans aren't breeding.
>>> >
>>> > I fail to see what the population has to do with this supposed decline.
>>> >
>>> > Could you elaborate ?
>>> >
>>> > Graham
>>> >
>>>
>>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760
>>
>>Hmmm... 'opinionionjournal' ! You do realise that the USA is very badly informed
>>generally about the realities in Europe ? Also, I bet the writer has some
>>spurious 'agenda' that influences his writing. It is simply *opinion* and badly
>>informed opinion at that.
>>
>>Graham
>
>The WSJ is a neo-con controlled publication-- like the Telegraph in
>the UK, only much worse. 
>
>
>Best regards, 
>Spehro Pefhany

Did we read the same article?  Or is it that leftists can't stand
reading about themselves ?:-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
|  Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
|  Phoenix, Arizona            Voice:(480)460-2350  |             |
|  E-mail Address at Website     Fax:(480)460-2142  |  Brass Rat  |
|       http://www.analog-innovations.com           |    1962     |
             
     It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

Article: 95137
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:28:59 -0600
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Joerg wrote:

> Hello Richard,
> 
>>
>> So just what does "a degree from a university" really mean?
>>
>> Yesterday I heard a news report that questioned whether or not average 
>> US college graduates were even literate -- their test criterion was 
>> related to reading product labels/instructions [I was driving at time 
>> so I was paying attention to other things ;]
>>
> 
> I don't know how it is today but in my days a masters degree meant that 
> you were very literate and had a rock solid knowledge base all the way 
> to Maxwell's equations. Else you would not hold that degree. IIRC only 
> about 17% of the year when I started made it. They had the "three 
> strikes rule". If you flunked an exam you could repeat once. Only one 
> exam could be attempted a third time and you had to request special 
> permission for that. Fail it again and you were out for good. Oh, and 
> that repeat exam came with the "exitement" of an aural where you were 
> grilled by the professor for a half hour or so. And no Xanax or Zoloft 
> or whatever in those days.
> 
> That's very different from some multiple choice tests that ask you how 
> many appointees there are on a licensing board.
> 
>>
>> As to PE license, it's irrelevant to reality if not legality.
>> I don't know how it is now.
> 
> 
> 
> Still is, in most states, due to the industry exemption. Take that away 
> and that state will slide down into the technological abyss.
> 
> I have also had the "pleasure" to share your experiences WRT to young 
> grads. 

Just in the interest of "full disclosure", I never received a BSEE.
But I've had more continuous employment than a friend who did ;}


Universities still do not teach much practical engineering and
> the kids today are not creative anymore in the ways we were. The demise 
> of Heathkit and those cool electronics surplus stores in town is an 
> indicator of that. Licensing is not going to make that situation any 
> better. Not by one iota. It would make it worse by taking older 
> engineers with real experience but non-ABET course work out of the work 
> force. Engineers who would then probably sue those agencies into oblivion.
> 
> Regards, Joerg
> 
> http://www.analogconsultants.com

Article: 95138
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:05:33 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello Richard,

> 
> Just in the interest of "full disclosure", I never received a BSEE.
> But I've had more continuous employment than a friend who did ;}
> 

The main thing is to know the stuff. It doesn't really matter where that 
knowledge was obtained or how. My father in law had an "intracompany 
degree", meaning he was designated as engineer after their educational 
staff deemed him ready for that. He has designed lots of power electric 
gear and much of that is most likely still in operation all around the 
world, providing people with electricity.

The only folks who ever asked to actually see my degree were government 
agencies. Then one of them needed the original for verification and when 
I got it back they must have kept it in a binder. They punched holes 
into it. Aargghhhh.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Article: 95139
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:08:34 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:05:33 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

>Hello Richard,
>
>> 
>> Just in the interest of "full disclosure", I never received a BSEE.
>> But I've had more continuous employment than a friend who did ;}
>> 
>
>The main thing is to know the stuff. It doesn't really matter where that 
>knowledge was obtained or how. My father in law had an "intracompany 
>degree", meaning he was designated as engineer after their educational 
>staff deemed him ready for that. He has designed lots of power electric 
>gear and much of that is most likely still in operation all around the 
>world, providing people with electricity.
>
>The only folks who ever asked to actually see my degree were government 
>agencies. Then one of them needed the original for verification and when 
>I got it back they must have kept it in a binder. They punched holes 
>into it. Aargghhhh.
>
>Regards, Joerg
>
>http://www.analogconsultants.com

I always order up certified copies.  I NEVER part with originals ;-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
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Article: 95140
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Dirk Bruere at Neopax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:08:42 +0000
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Fred Bloggs wrote:

> 
> 
> 
>> Well it's not for a lack of interest on this European's part, I can 
>> tell you.
>> Attractive, slim, intelligent, single women are scarce in the UK.
> 
> 
> You mean a woman low on estrogen and high on testosterone.

Yeah.
I couldn't find one who looked like a boy so I had to settle for Fiona:-)
http://www.neopax.com/Artemis/fiona/dfwedding0.jpg
Best of luck for the OP who seems a bit... er...

-- 
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

Article: 95141
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:21:34 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>


Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> Fred Bloggs wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well it's not for a lack of interest on this European's part, I can 
>>> tell you.
>>> Attractive, slim, intelligent, single women are scarce in the UK.
>>
>>
>>
>> You mean a woman low on estrogen and high on testosterone.
> 
> 
> Yeah.
> I couldn't find one who looked like a boy so I had to settle for Fiona:-)
> http://www.neopax.com/Artemis/fiona/dfwedding0.jpg
> Best of luck for the OP who seems a bit... er...
> 

Whew- now that's what women are supposed to look like-


Article: 95142
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:23:04 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello Richard,

> ... father was a practicing EE even though is degree was ME. [Back in 20's 
> an EE meant 60 cps power but an ME got more background in what we now 
> consider to be EE. If he were still alive, he would enjoy this discussion.]
> 

MEs did enjoy a more practical background. I have a 1929 ME handbook 
from my late father in law. It contains chapters that describe how to 
set up cigarette manufacturing lines and breweries ;-)

Another book that I saw at a friend's house described radio frequencies 
as a "wondrous ether whose practical usage has yet to be determined". 
That was from the pre-cell phone days.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Article: 95143
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:24:52 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

"Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:43D19AAB.8020302@nospam.com...
>
>
> Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> > Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Well it's not for a lack of interest on this European's part, I can
> >>> tell you.
> >>> Attractive, slim, intelligent, single women are scarce in the UK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You mean a woman low on estrogen and high on testosterone.
> >
> >
> > Yeah.
> > I couldn't find one who looked like a boy so I had to settle for
Fiona:-)
> > http://www.neopax.com/Artemis/fiona/dfwedding0.jpg
> > Best of luck for the OP who seems a bit... er...
> >
>
> Whew- now that's what women are supposed to look like-

I think one of them looks like a man.




Article: 95144
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Dirk Bruere at Neopax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:27:56 +0000
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Richard Henry wrote:

> "Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:43D19AAB.8020302@nospam.com...
> 
>>
>>Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
>>
>>>Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well it's not for a lack of interest on this European's part, I can
>>>>>tell you.
>>>>>Attractive, slim, intelligent, single women are scarce in the UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You mean a woman low on estrogen and high on testosterone.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah.
>>>I couldn't find one who looked like a boy so I had to settle for
> 
> Fiona:-)
> 
>>>http://www.neopax.com/Artemis/fiona/dfwedding0.jpg
>>>Best of luck for the OP who seems a bit... er...
>>>
>>
>>Whew- now that's what women are supposed to look like-
> 
> 
> I think one of them looks like a man.

I'm the one without the beard:-)

-- 
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

Article: 95145
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:34:31 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>


Richard Henry wrote:
> "Fred Bloggs" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:43D19AAB.8020302@nospam.com...
> 
>>
>>Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
>>
>>>Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well it's not for a lack of interest on this European's part, I can
>>>>>tell you.
>>>>>Attractive, slim, intelligent, single women are scarce in the UK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You mean a woman low on estrogen and high on testosterone.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah.
>>>I couldn't find one who looked like a boy so I had to settle for
>>
> Fiona:-)
> 
>>>http://www.neopax.com/Artemis/fiona/dfwedding0.jpg
>>>Best of luck for the OP who seems a bit... er...
>>>
>>
>>Whew- now that's what women are supposed to look like-
> 
> 
> I think one of them looks like a man.
> 
> 
> 

Yes- you guessed rightly- it is a picture of a man and woman. The woman 
is to the right-


Article: 95146
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:44:29 -0500
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:27:55 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:17:45 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:38:20 +0000, the renowned Pooh Bear
>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Steve Moulding wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:43D17084.F72CB119@hotmail.com...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > John Larkin wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:40:48 +0100, Blade <hun@hun.kom> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Strange. I always thought that Europe is declining because we are trying
>>>> >> >to follow the foolish american social model.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Europe is declining because Europeans aren't breeding.
>>>> >
>>>> > I fail to see what the population has to do with this supposed decline.
>>>> >
>>>> > Could you elaborate ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Graham
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760
>>>
>>>Hmmm... 'opinionionjournal' ! You do realise that the USA is very badly informed
>>>generally about the realities in Europe ? Also, I bet the writer has some
>>>spurious 'agenda' that influences his writing. It is simply *opinion* and badly
>>>informed opinion at that.
>>>
>>>Graham
>>
>>The WSJ is a neo-con controlled publication-- like the Telegraph in
>>the UK, only much worse. 
>>
>>
>>Best regards, 
>>Spehro Pefhany
>
>Did we read the same article?  Or is it that leftists can't stand
>reading about themselves ?:-)
>
>                                        ...Jim Thompson

Nah, I don't like jihadunspun or vheadline either. Propaganda is just
a waste of time. 


Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany
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Article: 95147
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:49:29 GMT
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Hello Jim,

> 
> I always order up certified copies.  I NEVER part with originals ;-)
> 

I did ask them whether that would be remotely possible. They said "nope".

The worst was when I needed a driver license in the Netherlands. They 
took my original for four weeks and gave me a little Xerox snippet that 
said that I had a license. All in Dutch no less. No signatures, no 
stamps, nothing. The only alternative to that "process" would have been 
full blown drivers ed and tests, to the tune of some $2k.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Article: 95148
Subject: Creating Multiple Configuration PROM File
From: "Rob" <robnstef@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:59:02 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello.

Can anyone direct me to a piece of Xilinx literature that explains how to 
load more than 1 config file into program flash (XCF16P).

Many thanks,
Rob 



Article: 95149
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:01:40 -0700
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:04:52 -0800, Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 1/20/06 8:58 AM, in article
>1137776297.373102.256560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "amyler@eircom.net"
><amyler@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> If you were a european I'd credit you with subtle use of irony....
>> 
>> But I'm sure you're a nice guy really :-)
>> 
>
>No, he isn't.
>
[snip]
>Don

You don't think I'm a nice guy?  Why?

                                        ...Jim Thompson
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