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Looks like I made a typo. It should say: component JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5 generic( PART_NAME : string ); port( TDO : out std_ulogic; TCK : in std_ulogic; TDI : in std_ulogic; TMS : in std_ulogic ); end component; before the begin in the testbench. Sorry about that. - Duth On May 11, 10:51 am, Duth <premd...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Self, > > This is a known issue in the unisim_vcomp file thatXilinxis going to > fix soon. Due to the fact that this is only forsimulation, this > component was left out. If you put the following component declaration > in the testbench, you can avoid this error: > > JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5_inst : JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5 > generic map (PART_NAME => "LX30") -- Specify target V5 device. > Possible values are: "LX30", "LX50", "LX85", "LX110", "LX220", > "LX330" > port map ( > TDO => TDO, -- JTAG data output (1-bit) > TCK => TCK, -- Clock input (1-bit) > TDI => TDI, -- JTAG data input (1-bit) > TMS => TMS -- JTAG command input (1-bit) > ); > > Hope this helps > Duth > > On May 10, 3:00 pm, self <pete.dud...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Guys > > > I am trying to simulate the BSCAN_VIRTEX5 component. TheXilinx > >simulationguide, sim.pdf, says that you can instantiate a > > JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5 in your testbench to control the BSCAN component. > > > So far I have been unable to get either theISEsimulatoror the Aldecsimulatorto resolve the JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5 component. I get this > > message in theISEsimulator: "Undefined symbol 'JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5". > > > Can anyone tell me what library I need to include in my testbench to > > resolve the JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5 component? > > > For reference I include my testbench VHDL. > > > Thanks > > > Pete > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > LIBRARY ieee; > > USE ieee.std_logic_1164.ALL; > > USE ieee.std_logic_arith.all; > > library UNISIM; > > use UNISIM.VComponents.all; > > use UNISIM.VPKG.all; > > > ENTITY jtag_interface_tb_vhd IS > > END jtag_interface_tb_vhd; > > > ARCHITECTURE behavior OF jtag_interface_tb_vhd IS > > > signal tdo, tck, tdi, tms : std_logic; > > > COMPONENT jtag_interface PORT( > > data_in : IN std_logic_vector(31 downto 0); > > clk_out : OUT std_logic; > > addr_out : OUT std_logic_vector(31 downto 0); > > data_out : OUT std_logic_vector(31 downto 0); > > we : OUT std_logic); > > END COMPONENT; > > > SIGNAL data_in : std_logic_vector(31 downto 0) := (others=>'0'); > > SIGNAL clk_out : std_logic; > > SIGNAL addr_out : std_logic_vector(31 downto 0); > > SIGNAL data_out : std_logic_vector(31 downto 0); > > SIGNAL we : std_logic; > > > constant tck_period : time := 1us; > > > BEGIN > > > JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5_inst : JTAG_SIM_VIRTEX5 > > generic map (PART_NAME => "LX30") -- Specify target V5 device. > > Possible values are: "LX30", "LX50", "LX85", "LX110", "LX220", > > "LX330" > > port map ( > > TDO => TDO, -- JTAG data output (1-bit) > > TCK => TCK, -- Clock input (1-bit) > > TDI => TDI, -- JTAG data input (1-bit) > > TMS => TMS -- JTAG command input (1-bit) > > ); > > > -- Instantiate the Unit Under Test (UUT) > > uut: jtag_interface PORT MAP( > > clk_out => clk_out, > > addr_out => addr_out, > > data_out => data_out, > > data_in => data_in, > > we => we); > > > tck_proc:process > > begin > > tck <= '0'; > > wait for tck_period/2; > > tck <= '1'; > > wait for tck_period/2; > > end process; > > > stim_proc: process > > begin > > -- force into reset state. > > tms <= '1'; > > tdi <= '0'; > > wait for tck_period*10; > > wait; > > end process; > > > ENDArticle: 119101
Bob <bob3635x@yahoo.com> wrote: ... > I think a better choice would be to open source iMPACT. I doubt if > it contains any strategic IP. There are six computers in the office > suite where I work, including Win-XP, Linux, and FreeBSD on x86_64; > and Win-XP and Linux on x86_32. ISE runs fine on all of them. iMPACT > runs on precisely one (Win-XP on x86_32). It fails on all the others > for various reasons. It also fails to work on VMware. These sorts > of driver and OS compatibility issues are something the OSS community > is quite good at fixing. Look with google for "XILINX USB/Parallel JTAG cables on Linux without windrvr" for an open source replacement for the windriver nightmare. -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt --------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------Article: 119102
hi every body, i want to implement a vhdl program into an fpga support ( the program is compressing video ), i want know what are the basics that i should know to choose the perfect fpga( for example Sparta,3 or Virtex 4 into Xlinx) and thank you for your answerArticle: 119103
C * F * V^2 = P There is no "1/2", as you get power when you charge, and also when you discharge a node. E=1/2 CFV^2 is appropriate for energy stored in a capacitor, not for the power dissipated when nodes are switching (Charging AND Dis-charging). AustinArticle: 119104
austin wrote: > C * F * V^2 = P > > There is no "1/2", as you get power when you charge, and also when you > discharge a node. > > E=1/2 CFV^2 is appropriate for energy stored in a capacitor, not for the > power dissipated when nodes are switching (Charging AND Dis-charging). > > Austin true for clocks but data lines usually only transition one direction per cycle at most. so conventionally SF=2 for clocks in power calculators. -- Del Cecchi "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.”Article: 119105
On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:30:20 +0200, "Geronimo Stempovski" <geronimo.stempovski@arcor.de> wrote: >Hi all, > >currently I am investigating a data sorting algorithm on hardware. The >algorithm was implemented in VHDL and is currently running on a Xilinx >Virtex-II Pro XC2VP70 - FF1704 FPGA. Power consumption is a crucial aspect >in the target application. Therefore I made an analysis with the Xilinx >Virtex-II Pro Web Power Tool (www.xilinx.com) and obtained satisfying >results. > >Now I'd like to make an estimation what this circuit would consume on a >comparable ASIC 0.13µm CMOS technology (the FPGA is also based on a 0.13µm >CMOS technology). The target clock frequency is 180 MHz, activity ratio is >15%. Is there any rule of thumb or calculation rule? > >Any help is highly appreciated !!!! > >Regards Gero > There are several design houses that specialize in flipping fpga designs to asics. I bet one of them would give you a quick estimate. Google "fpga asic conversion service" or something like that. JohnArticle: 119106
If you want to retain the 1/2, then I suggest you use T (for transition) instead of F (for frequency), in order to avoid the ambiguity. A factor of 2 might actually mean something :-) Peter Alfke On May 11, 1:43 pm, Del Cecchi <cecchinos...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > austin wrote: > > C * F * V^2 = P > > > There is no "1/2", as you get power when you charge, and also when you > > discharge a node. > > > E=1/2 CFV^2 is appropriate for energy stored in a capacitor, not for the > > power dissipated when nodes are switching (Charging AND Dis-charging). > > > Austin > > true for clocks but data lines usually only transition one direction per > cycle at most. so conventionally SF=2 for clocks in power calculators. > > -- > Del Cecchi > "This post is my own and doesn't necessarily represent IBM's positions, > strategies or opinions."Article: 119107
On May 11, 1:09 pm, kha_vhdl <abai...@gmail.com> wrote: > hi every body, > i want to implement a vhdl program into an fpga support ( the program > is compressing video ), > i want know what are the basics that i should know to choose the > perfect fpga( for example Sparta,3 or Virtex 4 into Xlinx) and thank > you for your answer Will you ever learn to ask a meaningful question, supported by meaningful parameters? Don't you have a teacher that can explain the basics? Six weeks ago you asked a similar dumb question, and I answered then: It is very frustrating to try to answer such an -excuse the harsh word- stupid request. I have all the sympathy in the world for mangled english syntax, grammar, spelling, and poor choice of words. (English is my second language, too). But I have no sympathy for questions that are inherently meaningless and impossible to answer in any language on this planet. If you are smart enough to operate a computer, you should also be smart enough to put meaningful information into a request. Do us a favor: Think before you type ! This newsgroup is not a baby-sitting operation. Peter AlfkeArticle: 119108
Peter Alfke wrote: > If you want to retain the 1/2, then I suggest you use T (for > transition) instead of F (for frequency), in order to avoid the > ambiguity. > A factor of 2 might actually mean something :-) > Peter Alfke Correct, but the 'C' portion of this is usually modelled, not physical, and called "power dissipation capacitance" so as long as the formula is stated, the 1/2 does not matter. eg Philips skip the 1/2, and give the formula. Their Cpd also varies slightly with Vcc, so we have 2.0pF @1.8V and 2.7pF @3.3V for 74AUP1G175.Article: 119109
On May 11, 2:09 pm, kha_vhdl <abai...@gmail.com> wrote: > i want know what are the basics that i should know to choose the > perfect fpga( for example Sparta,3 or Virtex 4 into Xlinx) and thank > you for your answer Well, obviously you thought you were a potential Xilinx customer, by asking the question specifically in terms of Xilinx product line. >From Xilinx's sharp abusive reprimand, you should now understand the basics about being a Xilinx customer -- if you are not a $100B company with a $100M engineering budget willing to purchase $1B of Xilinx product a year, you really don't count enough that Xilinx will be socially respectful and polite. Xilinx management and I have had this discussion before about CAF abuses, and, well ... they seem unable to fix their personel issues. I'd suggest taking a look at the Xilinx APNotes and then take a much more careful look at your design requirements, the excellent Altera product line, and see if you can get a respectful reply to your questions in terms of which Altera product would be more suitable for your project. Why would anyone WANT do business with such an abusive company like Xilinx? JohnArticle: 119110
This is ridiculous! Peter was as polite as one could only be with this sort of questions! I guess in today's overly politically correct world he could simply say nothing so that not to provoke comments like this, but it wouldn't change the fact that the OP's question was absolutely meaningless! Xilinx has problems but Peter is not one of them, he is in fact one of the greatest assets Xilinx has! /Mikhail <fpga_toys@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1178922716.701468.78740@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On May 11, 2:09 pm, kha_vhdl <abai...@gmail.com> wrote: >> i want know what are the basics that i should know to choose the >> perfect fpga( for example Sparta,3 or Virtex 4 into Xlinx) and thank >> you for your answer > > Well, obviously you thought you were a potential Xilinx customer, by > asking the question specifically in terms of Xilinx product line. >>From Xilinx's sharp abusive reprimand, you should now understand the > basics about being a Xilinx customer -- if you are not a $100B company > with a $100M engineering budget willing to purchase $1B of Xilinx > product a year, you really don't count enough that Xilinx will be > socially respectful and polite. > > Xilinx management and I have had this discussion before about CAF > abuses, and, well ... they seem unable to fix their personel issues. > > I'd suggest taking a look at the Xilinx APNotes and then take a much > more careful look at your design requirements, the excellent Altera > product line, and see if you can get a respectful reply to your > questions in terms of which Altera product would be more suitable for > your project. > > Why would anyone WANT do business with such an abusive company like > Xilinx? > > John >Article: 119111
My nasty response had nothing to do with Xilinx policy, or to our attitude to customers large or small. People that know me appreciate that I love to help with either tutorial or also very specific explanations. But it irks me when a few students abuse this newsgroup by typing ill- defined questions that obviously cannot be answered directly. And it irks me double when the same student does it again. This is a high-powered newsgroup where experienced engineers try to give helpful answers. This forum should not be abused by really dumb questions. Even a student must know that parameters like frequency, data width, standard etc are crucial, and should be included in the question. Don't be shy, but be specific ! That was the reason for my outburst... Peter Alfke On May 11, 3:31 pm, fpga_t...@yahoo.com wrote: > On May 11, 2:09 pm, kha_vhdl <abai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > i want know what are the basics that i should know to choose the > > perfect fpga( for example Sparta,3 or Virtex 4 into Xlinx) and thank > > you for your answer > > Well, obviously you thought you were a potential Xilinx customer, by > asking the question specifically in terms of Xilinx product line.>From Xilinx's sharp abusive reprimand, you should now understand the > > basics about being a Xilinx customer -- if you are not a $100B company > with a $100M engineering budget willing to purchase $1B of Xilinx > product a year, you really don't count enough that Xilinx will be > socially respectful and polite. > > Xilinx management and I have had this discussion before about CAF > abuses, and, well ... they seem unable to fix their personel issues. > > I'd suggest taking a look at the Xilinx APNotes and then take a much > more careful look at your design requirements, the excellent Altera > product line, and see if you can get a respectful reply to your > questions in terms of which Altera product would be more suitable for > your project. > > Why would anyone WANT do business with such an abusive company like > Xilinx? > > JohnArticle: 119112
kha_vhdl <abaidik@gmail.com> writes: > i want know what are the basics that i should know to choose the > perfect fpga( for example Sparta,3 or Virtex 4 into Xlinx) and thank > you for your answer Add the family number, pin count, the number of CLBs, three times the number of multipliers, half the number of block RAMs, and the last four digits of the telephone number of the local vendor sales office, then divide by 42 for a figure of merit. Pick the FPGA with the highest figure of merit, unless there is a full moon, in which case you should use the third-highest (or wait a few days). EricArticle: 119113
Mikhail, Relax. A certain person has a vendetta against myself, Peter, and Xilinx. We are unsure why. It is best I not say anything more. However, once he joins a thread, it is automatically placed on "ignore" as no further useful dialog can be held. Peter and I remain willing and able to answer all questions, and we try to be as helpful as possible. Our challenge is to understand why the technology is hard to understand (for some), and discover how to ease its adoption for people who have never studied programmable logic. Please post he question in a form that details what the requirements are, and we ill be happy to respond. As for this thread, any further Xilinx contribution is no longer possible. AustinArticle: 119114
On May 11, 6:36 pm, austin <aus...@xilinx.com> wrote: > Relax. A certain person has a vendetta against myself, Peter, and Xilinx. > > We are unsure why. But Austin, no vendetta at all. I've been really clear ... be nasty to other posters, and you set the tone for the replys. If Peter wants to be nasty as he intends to on purpose, then so can others ... accept it, you have certainly repeatedly asked for it. Be nice ... others will too ... especially me. Have fun! :) JohnArticle: 119115
On May 11, 4:56 pm, Peter Alfke <p...@xilinx.com> wrote: > My nasty response had nothing to do with Xilinx policy, or to our > attitude to customers large or small. People that know me appreciate Your nasty reponse was not necessary, correct, or even justified. If you can not take it in return, then stop trashing powerless newbie students just because you can. JohnArticle: 119116
On 12 mai, 07:26, fpga_t...@yahoo.com wrote: > On May 11, 6:36 pm, austin <aus...@xilinx.com> wrote: > > > Relax. A certain person has a vendetta against myself, Peter, and Xilinx. > > > We are unsure why. > > But Austin, no vendetta at all. I've been really clear ... be nasty to > other posters, and you set the tone for the replys. If Peter wants to > be nasty as he intends to on purpose, then so can others ... accept > it, you have certainly repeatedly asked for it. > > Be nice ... others will too ... especially me. > > Have fun! :) > > John hi i m sorry , but you should know that i m beginner , i m not professional so it is normal that for now i m asking stupid questionsArticle: 119117
On May 11, 11:40 pm, kha_vhdl <abai...@gmail.com> wrote: > hi i m sorry , but you should know that i m beginner , i m not > professional so it is normal that for now i m asking stupid questions Peter was correct that you should do your homework a little more before asking very general questions. See a tutor, or spend some more time on researching the problem resources and definitions. His insults however, do not belong on this list. he doesn't own it. control it, or set policy for it. The differences between the various Altera and Xilinx FPGA families is the resources they provide. To answer your questions, you first need to do a basic design and count the resources critical for your design. With that, you can assign some figures of merit to the various product families, and with a decision table get a solution for your projects design constraints. You will have to do that for your design and project, as each of us will have different designs should we be faced with implementing your problem. Altera and Xilinx Application Notes and data sheets have many useful descriptions and examples, about similar design objectives. Have fun ... JohnArticle: 119118
On May 11, 4:54 pm, "MM" <m...@yahoo.com> wrote: > This is ridiculous! Peter was as polite as one could only be with this sort > of questions! I guess in today's overly politically correct world he could > simply say nothing so that not to provoke comments like this, but it > wouldn't change the fact that the OP's question was absolutely meaningless! > Xilinx has problems but Peter is not one of them, he is in fact one of the > greatest assets Xilinx has! > Hi Mikhail, There are lots of ways to direct a newbie's poor choice of questions without publicly insulting and humiliating them. Frankly, as a key Xilinx asset on this list, Xilinx cann't help but drive business to Altera with Peter's insults ... or drive readership from this list. How many posters will AVOID this list at all costs rather than catch Peter in a foul abusive mood? If this is Xilinx's idea of great customer relations, then we should make the most of it, and have a lot of fun with it too. I was told last fall, that it was Xilinx policy that their staff remain respectful and helpful, and they would make sure "it can not happen again". Then Peter twice, rips into the OP, being in his own words "nasty" just because it irked him. Peter's response is not in any way remorse, just a flat statement that it's somehow his right because the OP rubbed him the wrong way ... and obviously you too ... but that doesn't give anybody the right to behave that way. Even my response in kind it not acceptable, but if you and others want to play that way, then I'll have some fun with it too ... till everyone is tired of the BS disrespect, and starts being nice. I have for a couple years warned Austin and Peter that they need to be nice, or they will set the tone of the replies they get. This certainly applies to Xilinx, when the postings are repeatedly from company resources which they have both the right and obligation to make sure are free of intimidation, harrassment, and abusive postings. I don't like it ... and I can not see a better way to frame Peter's bullying than to present it clearly as it is ... VERY POOR XILINX CUSTOMER RELATIONS.Article: 119119
fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote: > There are lots of ways to direct a newbie's poor choice of questions > without publicly insulting and humiliating them. kha_vhdl asked this question multiple times before and asking for more details, e.g. what video format, was answered by him that he don't know it. This sounds a bit like a troll or a schoolboy, who wants to do a cool project, which is ok, but without some more information about the project, e.g. "I want to design a PCI card, which compresses video streams to the H.263 format" the best answer is http://www.google.com/search?q=video+fpga and Peter's answer is justifiable. -- Frank Buss, fb@frank-buss.de http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.deArticle: 119120
fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote on 12.05.2007 08:51: > There are lots of ways to direct a newbie's poor choice of questions > without publicly insulting and humiliating them. I've been reading this list for quite a while and fully understand Peters outburst. First of all I do not understand his presence here as an official part of his job at Xilinx but as his personal decision to do so. The usual way to answer Xilinx specific problems and questions is via their webcase system. I really appreciate his (and others FPGA manufacturers employees) presence here as many questions are discussed here (see e.g. ISE, OSS discussion). Even if they would only read here most of the time it is good to know they are here and Your question/problem/suggestion is very probably noticed. I recently had a question as well and it was answered politely here and from a Xilinx FAE. Well, the problem could not be solved but I found out this way that: - it is better to simulate a design than to "verify" ("" means: understand how my VHDL-"ish" code was interpreted...) generating an RTL schematic - schematic generation of ISE is extremely sensitive (and got worse from 8.2 to 9.1) to badly written VHDL code. Although it might be convenient for a VHDL beginner like me, it often leads You in the wrong direction. I asked here and at Xilinx, *after* days of searching for a answer myself if the problem was at my code or at ISE. Bottomline of this is that I learned a lot (*I* had to work it out) and certainly will ask here again if I get stuck somewhere. It seems to be en vogue for certain students, however, to ask others to do their homework. Honestly, we all cheated somehow during our study time to minimize workload. But I wouldn't have had the chuzpe to just copy-paste the homework description into a posting and even expect a polite answer. It is, at least, annoying if a new gmail account pops up every other day asking the same stupid question which was answered (politely) a few days ago. > Frankly, as a key > Xilinx asset on this list, Xilinx cann't help but drive business to > Altera with Peter's insults ... or drive readership from this list. > How many posters will AVOID this list at all costs rather than catch > Peter in a foul abusive mood? Also frankly, this is ridiculous. I never saw an insulting answer from Peter (actually from noone here) to reasonably formulated questions for a well defined problem. It is this "make solution" attitude which pisses everybody off who tries to share his experience with others. > If this is Xilinx's idea of great customer relations, then we should > make the most of it, and have a lot of fun with it too. I am certainly just a marginal customer for Xilinx (having designed in 5 (!) Virtex-4 FPGAs for a prototype board I developed for a customer) but I never had the impression they would not want to make business with me. Lead times are an annoying but this is not Xilinx specific. I even had to redesign another board because a simple stupid ultra low RDSon MOSFET had a lead time of 44 weeks when we wanted to start series production (and we were talking about much more than five transistors there..). Although I somehow doubt those specific individuals will read (let alone understand) it, it might be helpful to regularly post a very short group policy posting here. I remember times when these rules were considered common sense but this was before WWW (1989). Just my 0.02$ RobertArticle: 119121
I asked about driving a 3.3V FPGA input (e.g., Spartan-3) from a 74LS14 TTL output. Peter Alfke wrote: > Pick 300 to 1000 Ohm, any value will be ok. Consider the input a 10 pF > load and put the resistor close to it.. Then 1kilohm means a 10 ns > time constant... I have found that I can get 74LVC244AD 3.3V octal buffers with 5V-tolerant inputs and 6 ns max prop. delay for less than the cost of 330 ohm 16-pin SMT resistor networks! part Digikey quantity 100 price NXP 74LVC244AD $0.26 Bourns 4816P-T01-331LF $0.71 CTS 767-163-R330P $0.37 (not stocked) Amazing. I guess those bleeding-edge fabs they use to make resistor networks must be really expensive! Maybe they could lower the cost by outsourcing production to TSMC :-) EricArticle: 119122
I just also want to say that I think John's objections are absolutely ridiculous. First of all, the question of the thread starter is utterly stupid and unanswerable. Second, Peter is certainly not posting here as a representative of Xilinx, we should rather be grateful (I know I am) that several chaps from Xilinx or other companies are here to provide us with information and help we otherwise would never be able to get. And there have been several times when I got pissed off with some Xilinx stuff, but customer support never was one of them. All of the FAEs I have interfered with until now have always extremely helpful, friendly and went out of there way to make sure my problem would get solved or at least an alternative solution found. And I know for sure that in the future I won't be too scared to post here because I know how to actually phrase a question and I won't be super-trivial and/or idiotic things. Cheers, MichaelArticle: 119123
Hi, everybody I am designing a PCI video capture card. The main ICs are: Cyclone II (EP2C35F672c6), ADV7181, ADV7123, PCI9054, 128M SDRAM etc. Now I am making a power consumption estimation for this board. I have finished the power requirements estimation for ICs. And I have several questions: First, is the estimation I have made reasonable? (Pls see the table below) FPGA SDRAM ADV7181 ADV7123 PCI9054 MAX3221CDBE4 840mW 782mW 547.1mW 97.54mW 920mW 3.6mW Others(resistors,leds...) Total ? 3190.24+? Secondly, I made some calculations for the pull-up and termination resistors and LEDS. I find each resistor consumes several mWs, even less than 1 mW and each LED consumes about 20 or 30 mWs when on. Is that reasonable? Finally, I want to receive some good advices on the proportion of the non-IC devices’ power consumption usually accounts for. And how much power supply margin should I offer for the whole board? Looking forward your help. Thank u very much. Regrds Leon:|Article: 119124
I am trying to interface a PowerPC in a Virtex-II Pro device with an external DDR memory on the board. I am using the following fucntions to read an write to the memory: //write num. 300 to position 0 in //the DDR XGpio_mSetDataReg(0, 1, 300); //read position 0 in the DDR = ReadFromGPInput(0); I have enabled burst mode, but these two functions take significan time to write and read the DDR. Are there any other functions which I can use in order to speed up the process?
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