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Article: 124500
Subject: Re: Automotive Electronic Control
From: Jonathan Bromley <jonathan.bromley@MYCOMPANY.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:31:29 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:26:28 +0100, Martin Thompson
<martin.j.thompson@trw.com> wrote:

>icegray <icegray@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm looking for a control unit (plc, control card, control module) for
>> construction equipment (excavator). It should contain digital and
>> analog inputs and digital outputs. Any body have experience or know
>> brand (like as axiomatic) about this subject?
>
>If the rest of the group can excuse the advert, is this any use?
>
>http://www.conekt.net/docs/CAN-click1%20flexible%20ECU.pdf
>
>It's not FPGA based, so may be off-topic :-)

Cool.  I was trying to work out how to tell the OP that the FPGA 
part would be absolutely the least of his worries; anyone who 
goes into the automotive (or industrial, or medical) electronics
business thinking that the logic is the hard part will be in for
some very nasty surprises :-)

Is there a comp.arch.automotive newsgroup 
where you can see posts like this?

hi group,
i trid to use conkt flexible ecu to mak activ suspensn control
for my 2000HP monster truk project but am having not succes.
pls help.  first I conekted alternator to canbus but then
smoak cam out of ecu so I discntcd it.  then it work loose
so I dril 1/2"hole thru ecu for fixing blot and now it is
not working.  pls explain how i cn implement kalman filter
for suspensn opmization using this method.
-- 
Jonathan Bromley, Consultant

DOULOS - Developing Design Know-how
VHDL * Verilog * SystemC * e * Perl * Tcl/Tk * Project Services

Doulos Ltd., 22 Market Place, Ringwood, BH24 1AW, UK
jonathan.bromley@MYCOMPANY.com
http://www.MYCOMPANY.com

The contents of this message may contain personal views which 
are not the views of Doulos Ltd., unless specifically stated.

Article: 124501
Subject: DRAM modules - RIMM, SODIMM,UDIMM..etc
From: sai <saikishore_r@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:44:49 -0000
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,

There are various kinds of DRAM modules such as
RIMM,SODIMM,UDIMM,MiniDIMM etc. How do they differ from each other.
Can anybody through some light on this.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Sai


Article: 124502
Subject: Re: Automotive Electronic Control
From: Jonathan Bromley <jonathan.bromley@MYCOMPANY.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:07:56 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:08:37 -0700, icegray <icegray@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>I'm looking for a control unit (plc, control card, control module) for
>construction equipment (excavator). It should contain digital and
>analog inputs and digital outputs. Any body have experience or know
>brand (like as axiomatic) about this subject?
>Thanks all

Looks like you're in the USA, but if you were in Western Europe
then these folk might be able to help:

http://www.zetacontrols.com/

(I'm not connected with them, but have been loosely associated
with them in the distant past.)

See also Martin Thompson's post.
-- 
Jonathan Bromley, Consultant

DOULOS - Developing Design Know-how
VHDL * Verilog * SystemC * e * Perl * Tcl/Tk * Project Services

Doulos Ltd., 22 Market Place, Ringwood, BH24 1AW, UK
jonathan.bromley@MYCOMPANY.com
http://www.MYCOMPANY.com

The contents of this message may contain personal views which 
are not the views of Doulos Ltd., unless specifically stated.

Article: 124503
Subject: Variable Phase Shifting for VirtexII DCM
From: schirinboy@yahoo.de
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:25:22 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,
i have a problem with my dcm modules. By changing of frequency the
clock-out phase gets also changed. So I have found a xapp from xilinx
which may help me (Active Phase Alignment xapp268).

I have used this in my design, but i cant see some changes and shold
be error free. Maybe somebody  can see
the mistake:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------------------
clk_bufg 		: bufg 	port map(i =3D> clkdcm, 		   o =3D> clk);
clkx4_bufg 	      : bufg 	port map(i =3D> clkx4dcm,		o =3D> clkx4);
clkx4not_bufg 	    : bufg 	port map(i =3D> clkx4notdcm, o =3D> clkx4not);
clk_ibufg 		: ibufgds_lvpecl_33  port map(i =3D> clkin_p, 		iB =3D>
clkin_n, 		o =3D> clkint);


attribute DFS_FREQUENCY_MODE 		of dcm_clk	: label is "HIGH";
attribute CLKOUT_PHASE_SHIFT 		of dcm_clk	: label is "VARIABLE";
attribute PHASE_SHIFT        		of dcm_clk	: label is "-255";
attribute CLKFX_DIVIDE       		of dcm_clk	: label is dcm_clk_d;
attribute CLKFX_MULTIPLY     		of dcm_clk	: label is dcm_clk_m;
attribute DUTY_CYCLE_CORRECTION 	of dcm_clk	: label is "TRUE" ;
attribute CLKDV_DIVIDE          	of dcm_clk	: label is "4" ;
attribute DLL_FREQUENCY_MODE 		of dcm_clk	: label is "HIGH";


dcm_clk : dcm
--pragma translate_off
	generic map (
	CLKFX_MULTIPLY 		=3D> dcm_clk_m_udsim,
	CLKFX_DIVIDE			=3D> dcm_clk_d_udsim,
	CLKDV_DIVIDE			=3D> 4.0,
	CLKOUT_PHASE_SHIFT 	=3D> "VARIABLE",
	PHASE_SHIFT 			=3D> 160)
--pragma translate_on
	port map (
	clkin   	=3D> clkint,
	CLKFB   	=3D> clkx4,
	DSSEN 	=3D> low,
	PSINCDEC	=3D> psincdec_tx,
	PSEN 		=3D> psen_tx,
	PSCLK 	=3D> psclk_tx,
	RST     	=3D> rx_dcm_lock_loss,
	CLK0    	=3D> clkx4dcm,
	CLK90   	=3D> open,
	clk180  	=3D> clkx4notdcm,
	CLK270  	=3D> open,
	CLK2X   	=3D> open,
	CLK2X180	=3D> open,
	CLKDV   	=3D> clkdcm,
	CLKFX   	=3D> open,

	CLKFX180	=3D> open,
	LOCKED  	=3D> clk_locked,
	PSDONE  	=3D> psdone_tx,
	STATUS  	=3D> open);
.=2E..
.=2E..
ph_shift_tx : phase_control_full_range port map(
	enable			=3D> high,
	monclkin			=3D> clkint,
	rxclkin			=3D> clk, -- clk
	ctlclk			=3D> clkdcm,
	lockedin			=3D> clk_locked,
	rst				=3D> tx_dcm_lock_loss,
	psdone			=3D> psdone_tx,
	forceup			=3D> low,
	forcedown		=3D> low,
	dcm_div_2_used	=3D> dcm_div_2_used,	-- nope
	k 					=3D> const_offset,		-- the same as for rx side
	lockedout		=3D> dpclocked_tx,
	psincdec			=3D> psincdec_tx,
	psen				=3D> psen_tx,
	psclk				=3D> psclk_tx,
	binout			=3D> binout_tx);
--------------------------------------
The Design runs in DDR Mode, by changing of frequency from 300 MHz to
370 Mhz the phase jups ut to 180=B0.


Article: 124504
Subject: Re: Automotive Electronic Control
From: Martin Thompson <martin.j.thompson@trw.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:56:32 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Jonathan Bromley <jonathan.bromley@MYCOMPANY.com> writes:

> Is there a comp.arch.automotive newsgroup 
> where you can see posts like this?
>
> hi group,
> i trid to use conkt flexible ecu to mak activ suspensn control
> for my 2000HP monster truk project but am having not succes.
> pls help.  first I conekted alternator to canbus but then
> smoak cam out of ecu so I discntcd it.  then it work loose
> so I dril 1/2"hole thru ecu for fixing blot and now it is
> not working.  pls explain how i cn implement kalman filter
> for suspensn opmization using this method.

Stop it - now I have tea on my keyboard :-)

Cheers,
Martin

-- 
martin.j.thompson@trw.com 
TRW Conekt - Consultancy in Engineering, Knowledge and Technology
http://www.conekt.net/electronics.html

Article: 124505
Subject: Re: Gated Clock Problems
From: "Symon" <symon_brewer@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:37:17 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

"Symon" <symon_brewer@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fd9hdo$s11$1@aioe.org...
> "Jon Elson" <elson@wustl.edu> wrote in message 
> news:46F7FE10.90107@wustl.edu...
>>
>>  If you try to do this with an FPGA FF, you will spend all day with 
>> exotic lab gear trying to get one event.
>>
>> Jon
>>
> Hi Jon,
> Thanks for your post, but sorry, but that last statement is bollocks. It's 
> easy to get metastable events in an FPGA. X, A, L or otherwise. Email 
> Xilinx and ask about Virtex 4 fifos. Or search through this newsgroup's 
> archive. Or do the maths.
> HTH., Syms.
>
Hi Jon,
Sorry about that reply, re-reading it, I sound a little aggressive, dunno 
what came over me. Anyway, have a quick shufty at this.
http://www.xilinx.com/bvdocs/appnotes/xapp094.pdf
It's Peter from Xilinx's metastability experiments. Perhaps it will change 
your mind?
Best regards, Syms. 



Article: 124506
Subject: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: cs_posting@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:51:53 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Ordered a license for Quartus a month ago.  Order is processed, rep
says she needs NIC ID and host ID from PC, we explain that a new PC is
on order and we will need to license software to old machine now, then
move it.  She says we have to wait.

Okay, not good as a project is already behind schedule, but can live
with that.

New computer comes in.  Get rep to clarify that host ID means volume
serial number.  Provide it.  No response.  Wait four days and ask what
happened - told that LICENSE CANNOT BE ISSUED FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER
FOUR DAYS.

What the ????

I have work to do here, and you guys can't email me a tiny text file ?

Going back to Xilinx... project is already halfway working on their
eval board, which has a chip supported by their web version.


Article: 124507
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: Mike Treseler <mike_treseler@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:11:12 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
cs_posting@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ordered a license for Quartus a month ago.  Order is processed, rep
> says she needs NIC ID and host ID from PC, we explain that a new PC is
> on order and we will need to license software to old machine now, then
> move it.  She says we have to wait.

Give them the existing NIC and change it later.
Or maybe start with the web version.
That doesn't need a license.

       -- Mike Treseler

Article: 124508
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: cs_posting@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:26:10 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sep 25, 10:11 am, Mike Treseler <mike_trese...@comcast.net> wrote:
> cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Ordered a license for Quartus a month ago.  Order is processed, rep
> > says she needs NIC ID and host ID from PC, we explain that a new PC is
> > on order and we will need to license software to old machine now, then
> > move it.  She says we have to wait.
>
> Give them the existing NIC and change it later.
> Or maybe start with the web version.
> That doesn't need a license.
>
>        -- Mike Treseler

Web version can't compile for an EP2S60


Article: 124509
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: "comp.arch.fpga" <ksulimma@googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:33:16 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Volume IDs and MACs can be changed on most computers.
Volume IDs do not need to be unique. I had some fun with an Avnet
representive when we tried to register 12 licenses to the same volume
ID. They refused to do it so we registered only one license.

Kolja Sulimma

On 25 Sep., 15:51, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ordered a license for Quartus a month ago.  Order is processed, rep
> says she needs NIC ID and host ID from PC, we explain that a new PC is
> on order and we will need to license software to old machine now, then
> move it.  She says we have to wait.
>
> Okay, not good as a project is already behind schedule, but can live
> with that.
>
> New computer comes in.  Get rep to clarify that host ID means volume
> serial number.  Provide it.  No response.  Wait four days and ask what
> happened - told that LICENSE CANNOT BE ISSUED FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER
> FOUR DAYS.
>
> What the ????
>
> I have work to do here, and you guys can't email me a tiny text file ?
>
> Going back to Xilinx... project is already halfway working on their
> eval board, which has a chip supported by their web version.



Article: 124510
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: Karl <jack6910@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:51:46 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Ever heard of a USB Ethernet Adapter ?

They also have NIC ID's and are around =80 10.- in my local store.
That's 10 minutes of engineering time.

Karl.


Article: 124511
Subject: Re: Verilog simple dual port memory with different input and output widths?
From: davew <David.Wooff@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:44:15 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 24 Sep, 22:32, Kevin Neilson <kevin_neil...@removethiscomcast.net>
wrote:
> davew wrote:
> > Has anyone got any example Verilog code for this?  I'm currently using
> > Quartus wizard generated code and wrapping it up in a Verilog module
> > so I can use my own parameters instead of running the wizard each time
> > I need a new variation (which is a complete pain).  I thought that
> > perhaps inferring the memory might yield better and more efficient
> > results.
>
> > Ta.
>
> I have such a piece of code but it only works for Xilinx parts.  (Which
> you should use.)  Most likely the synthesizer will not infer RAMs of
> different port widths from a behavioral description.  My code takes
> Verilog parameters that are passed in and then uses 'generates' to
> instantiate an array of the correct blockRAM primitives with the
> primitive parameters set for asymmetric port widths if necessary.
> You'll probably need to do something similar if you want an HDL
> solution.  I'm not sure why the tools don't support this yet.  A
> behavioral description of an asymmetric RAM is slightly awkward, but
> definitely doable.
> -Kevin

Thanks,
I haven't tried to infer because I wasn't sure how to tackle the
Verilog for differing port widths.
It can be done easily with the wizard, but this is cumbersome when it
comes to writing a neat re-usable unit.
Dave.


Article: 124512
Subject: How can I find out the input/output interface of SDR SDRAM Kingston KVR100X64C2/128?
From: Wei Wang <camwwang@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:51:36 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
All I can find is a one-page specification of "Kingston
KVR100X64C2/128", but I do not know about the input and output
interface of this SDRAM, e.g., what are the input and output signals,
and how the input and output signals are wired into each Synchronous
DRAM (Infineon HYB39S128800CT-8) module. Many thanks, -Wei


Article: 124513
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: jinkeles@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:00:38 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sep 25, 6:51 am, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Ordered a license for Quartus a month ago.  Order is processed, rep
> says she needs NIC ID and host ID from PC, we explain that a new PC is
> on order and we will need to license software to old machine now, then
> move it.  She says we have to wait.
>
> Okay, not good as a project is already behind schedule, but can live
> with that.
>
> New computer comes in.  Get rep to clarify that host ID means volume
> serial number.  Provide it.  No response.  Wait four days and ask what
> happened - told that LICENSE CANNOT BE ISSUED FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER
> FOUR DAYS.
>
> What the ????
>
> I have work to do here, and you guys can't email me a tiny text file ?
>
> Going back to Xilinx... project is already halfway working on their
> eval board, which has a chip supported by their web version.

Mike,

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I would like to help now if I
can. First, Quartus II Subscription Edition includes a free 30-day
trial (no license needed - just download and install). This should get
you up an running with compiling a 2S60. Second, our sales team should
be able to cut you an additional 60-day evaluation license. I'm happy
to do so now - just email me your NIC ID. I can also help you with
license you purchased.

Happy to get you up and runnning today.

Jordon Inkeles
Altera Software Marketing
jinkeles@altera-nospam-.com <remove the -nospam->


Article: 124514
Subject: Re: Gated Clock Problems
From: Allan Herriman <allanherriman@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:07:59 +1000
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:12:32 -0500, Jon Elson <elson@wustl.edu> wrote:

>> 
>> So far I've only seen talk of violated setup times in relation with the
>> metastability problem. No problems with hold times?
>> 
>> I've done a resonable amount of logic designs (TTL/CPLD/FPGA), but never
>> have run into this problem. Maybe because most of my designs run fairly
>> slow and I always like to clock everithing through dff's anyway. :-)
>> 
>
>If you want to actually see metastability, it is bets to start with a 
>slow technology, like the 74HC74.

You could try a *really* slow technology like latching relays.
Metastability resolution times are long, as long as... well, I had one
once that didn't recover at all, with its outputs (contacts) stuck in
an intermediate state.  I assume this was due to friction.

Regards,
Allan

Article: 124515
Subject: Own soft-processor
From: drop669@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:51:10 -0000
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Just interesting, how often some company is able to develope their own
RISC soft-core processor for their needs, without any need to publish
that fact or reveal any details?


Article: 124516
Subject: Re: DRAM modules - RIMM, SODIMM,UDIMM..etc
From: Joseph Samson <user@not.my.company>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:04:07 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
sai wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> There are various kinds of DRAM modules such as
> RIMM,SODIMM,UDIMM,MiniDIMM etc. How do they differ from each other.
> Can anybody throw some light on this.

http://www.micron.com


---
Joe Samson
Pixel Velocity

Article: 124517
Subject: Re: Own soft-processor
From: Uncle Noah <nkavv@skiathos.physics.auth.gr>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:21:39 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sep 25, 7:51 pm, drop...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just interesting, how often some company is able to develope their own
> RISC soft-core processor for their needs, without any need to publish
> that fact or reveal any details?

I believe this is reasonable when the soft-core is not supposed to be
marketed independently of a larger product (which is its context of
use).

It is also reasonable to worry since it your design effort :) You can
safely publish, anytime you wish, following patents filed (of course)
and the product being pushed in the market. Then, it is reasonable to
publish stuff from the internals in order to increase momentum among
the users of the product.

This is from my own working experience, even though i'm mostly on my
own here (in pswrokwstaina Greece).

Regards
Nikolaos Kavvadias


Article: 124518
Subject: Re: How can I find out the input/output interface of SDR SDRAM Kingston KVR100X64C2/128?
From: Weng Tianxiang <wtxwtx@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:12:19 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sep 25, 8:51 am, Wei Wang <camww...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All I can find is a one-page specification of "Kingston
> KVR100X64C2/128", but I do not know about the input and output
> interface of this SDRAM, e.g., what are the input and output signals,
> and how the input and output signals are wired into each Synchronous
> DRAM (Infineon HYB39S128800CT-8) module. Many thanks, -Wei

Hi,
Go to Infineon or Micron, or Samsung to search for similar SDRAM
chips.

Kingston is not a chip manufacture, but a DIMM manufacture.

All SDRAM chips are almost same with Micron having the tighest
requirements.

You may print Micron 128800CT-8 SDRAM to see if there is a document
over there. Maybe they are all out of date.

Weng


Article: 124519
Subject: Re: Own soft-processor
From: Jon Beniston <jon@beniston.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:39:22 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On 25 Sep, 17:51, drop...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just interesting, how often some company is able to develope their own
> RISC soft-core processor for their needs, without any need to publish
> that fact or reveal any details?

I know there are quite a few companies that have done this.

Jon


Article: 124520
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: Mike Treseler <miket_treseler@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:25:40 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
jinkeles@hotmail.com wrote:

> Mike,
> Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. 

No, was "cs_posting" not me.
My quartus licenses work fine.

     -- Mike Treseler

Article: 124521
Subject: Re: How can I find out the input/output interface of SDR SDRAM Kingston KVR100X64C2/128?
From: Gabor <gabor@alacron.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:31:45 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Sep 25, 2:12 pm, Weng Tianxiang <wtx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 8:51 am, Wei Wang <camww...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All I can find is a one-page specification of "Kingston
> > KVR100X64C2/128", but I do not know about the input and output
> > interface of this SDRAM, e.g., what are the input and output signals,
> > and how the input and output signals are wired into each Synchronous
> > DRAM (Infineon HYB39S128800CT-8) module. Many thanks, -Wei
>
> Hi,
> Go to Infineon or Micron, or Samsung to search for similar SDRAM
> chips.
>
> Kingston is not a chip manufacture, but a DIMM manufacture.
>
> All SDRAM chips are almost same with Micron having the tighest
> requirements.
>
> You may print Micron 128800CT-8 SDRAM to see if there is a document
> over there. Maybe they are all out of date.
>
> Weng


A good source for DIMM data is JEDEC.  On their website, jedec.org,
you
can find standard connections for all standard DIMM types.  If you
know
the type of chip and number of chips on your module you can generally
narrow down the choices to one JEDEC standard.

Their website is a little hard to navigate, but the search feature
generally gets you to the information you need, and all of the
standards
include reference schematics so you can see the chip connections.

HTH,
Gabor


Article: 124522
Subject: Re: Own soft-processor
From: hal-usenet@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:31:54 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

>Just interesting, how often some company is able to develope their own
>RISC soft-core processor for their needs, without any need to publish
>that fact or reveal any details?

What do you mean by "RISC soft-core processor"?

It's fairly easy to make an ALU unit.  It's also fairly easy
to make a simple CPU if you use wide instructions to simplify
decoding.  If your code is small enough to fit in local
ROMs, then you don't need anything fancy like caches.
You may not even need a memory interface.

We used to call that sort of stuff microcode.

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Article: 124523
Subject: Logic minimization software with LUT6 support?
From: dudesinmexico@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:30:10 -0700
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I am looking for open source software for logic minimization (a la
espresso)
targeted to a lookup table based architecture that can take advantage
of six
inputs LUTs (as you can imagine I have in mind a LUT6/Virtex 5
implementation).
Is there such a beast?

thanks much

-Arrigo


Article: 124524
Subject: Re: Never buy Altera!!!!
From: nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:55:03 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
jinkeles@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sep 25, 6:51 am, cs_post...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Ordered a license for Quartus a month ago.  Order is processed, rep
>> says she needs NIC ID and host ID from PC, we explain that a new PC is
>> on order and we will need to license software to old machine now, then
>> move it.  She says we have to wait.
>>
>> Okay, not good as a project is already behind schedule, but can live
>> with that.
>>
>> New computer comes in.  Get rep to clarify that host ID means volume
>> serial number.  Provide it.  No response.  Wait four days and ask what
>> happened - told that LICENSE CANNOT BE ISSUED FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER
>> FOUR DAYS.
>>
>> What the ????
>>
>> I have work to do here, and you guys can't email me a tiny text file ?
>>
>> Going back to Xilinx... project is already halfway working on their
>> eval board, which has a chip supported by their web version.
>
>Mike,
>
>Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. I would like to help now if I
>can. First, Quartus II Subscription Edition includes a free 30-day
>trial (no license needed - just download and install). This should get
>you up an running with compiling a 2S60. Second, our sales team should
>be able to cut you an additional 60-day evaluation license. I'm happy
>to do so now - just email me your NIC ID. I can also help you with
>license you purchased.

Lesson learned today: Stupid licensing schemes cost customers. 

When I buy software I leave it in the shrink wrap if it has a dongle
or lmserver and download the cracked version from internet and use
that instead.

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