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Article: 95000
Subject: Re: Sorting large amounts of floats
From: "PeteS" <ps@fleetwoodmobile.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 04:08:36 -0800
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Keith O'Conor wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to figure out the best way to sort a large amount
> (thousands) of floats or fixed-point data on an FPGA. With this amount
> of data, it needs to be stored in RAM because it obviously won't fit in
> registers, but this means that there can only be one access to that RAM
> every clock cycle. Since any sorting algorithm will need access to at
> least two pieces of data to compare, I can't figure out how to
> parallelize the sorting. Has anyone got any experience in this area? I
> would really appreciate any advice.
>
> Thanks,
> Keith

One simple solution would be to use a dual port RAM.

Another solution is to use two different RAM blocks for each data set.

Cheers

PeteS


Article: 95001
Subject: How in Design Compiler disable writing out "Assign" statement into the netlist?
From: "Frank" <frank.invalid@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:26:57 +0800
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I was aware that there is a flag which can disenable Design Compiler to
write Assign statement. My NCVerilog gave me warning on Assign statement
when performing gate level simulations.

Many thanks in advance.




Article: 95002
Subject: Re: Xilinx padding LC numbers, how do you feel about it?
From: Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:24:44 GMT
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On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:53:31 +1300) it happened Jim Granville
<no.spam@designtools.co.nz> wrote in <43d00a4b@clear.net.nz>:

>Peter Alfke wrote:
>> Rickman, why do you ask?
>> Everybody in this newsgroup hates that method, but Xilinx Marketing
>> thinks that it is a more meaningful metric when comparing different
>> manufacturer's devices. And it is, like it or not.
>
>How about you try and introduce the meaning of UNITS to them ?
>
>ie let them use LCeq for the marketing DOCS, and also have an absolute,
>physical count, of LC = X * Y on the die.
>
>As a radical idea, they could even publish the formula
>LCeq = LCactual * MarketingsIdeaOfLevelPlayingFieldFactor
>
>
>That way, everyone is happy :)
>
>The problems occur when one dept trys to use a std unit,
>but hijack it to mean something else. In the end no one knows
>where they are.... and everyone is annoyed.
>
How about 'feel gates'?
After all my 10W PC speakers are 1000 'music watts'.
And this FPGA has a 10 giga gates equivalent feel power?

A. Nonymous.

Article: 95003
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: bill.sloman@ieee.org
Date: 20 Jan 2006 05:26:51 -0800
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Bryan Hackney wrote:
> Simon Peacock wrote:
> > sooner or later the system will reach balance.. we will all earn less... and
> > therefore eat less Big Macs.. so weigh less...  then we will all get paid
> > less too and spend less ...
> >
>
> There will be no balance.
>
> Europe is declining.

Why do you think that?

> Africa and the Middle East will never go anywhere.

Why do you think that?

> The US is starting a European style decline, derived from liberal self
> loathing and guilt.

Giggle.

> Japan has show its weakness of character, and complete lack of creativity
> in solving its money problems the last decade. I wonder if there is a
> single original idea in China. Russia is overrun with corruption.

As opposed to the U.S. ruling (Repulbican) party which is sea-green
incorruptible, so much so that even your courts have noticed.

> India - well, I don't know much about India.

Your ignorance is more extensive than you think.

> Call me an optimist. Maybe we can have a renaissance in the west. I hope
> so.

I'd call you pompous twit. We had a renaissance in the west some six
hundred years ago. It's still running - rather bumpily, and better in
some areas than others - but we still keep on doing better in one area
after another.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


Article: 95004
Subject: Re: Sorting large amounts of floats
From: Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:36:08 -0500
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Keith O'Conor wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to figure out the best way to sort a large amount
> (thousands) of floats or fixed-point data on an FPGA. With this amount
> of data, it needs to be stored in RAM because it obviously won't fit in
> registers, but this means that there can only be one access to that RAM
> every clock cycle. Since any sorting algorithm will need access to at
> least two pieces of data to compare, I can't figure out how to
> parallelize the sorting. Has anyone got any experience in this area? I
> would really appreciate any advice.
> 
> Thanks,
> Keith
> 
Sorting floats is no different than sorting fixed point, that is the 
reason for using excess code N for the exponent.

To accomplish the sort efficiently, you partition the data, storing and 
the sorting subsets of the full data set on the FPGA and then merging 
the results.  That way you don't have as many accesses to the  off-chip 
ram to deal with.

Article: 95005
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "larwe" <zwsdotcom@gmail.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 05:38:30 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

yusufilker@gmail.com wrote:

> Eastern cultures are generally more fatalist(I do not know this word
> describes what i mean), more contented with what they have.Unless you
> awake them by an atomic bomb.

Careful how you say this - remember, our (US) current government is
running out of ideas on how to convince people we are "winning" a
"war".


Article: 95006
Subject: Security of Xilinx Virtex2 Pro
From: jetmarc@hotmail.com
Date: 20 Jan 2006 05:43:48 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi,

I'm considering a VirtexIIPro device for a security sensitive
application.  This
device offers bitstream encryption.  I'm am worried about what parts of
it
are accessable after the bitstream has been loaded, eg through the JTAG
interface.  Can any of the FPGA state or RAM cells be read, written or
verified?  Can the PPC405 component be put into DEBUG mode, and
instructions be read or injected?  Can an attacker start a partial
reconfiguration with a non-encrypted chosen bitstream, to modify the
device
configuration in a promising way?  Eg can he overwrite the BRAM
interface
cells to dump RAM contents to I/O pins, etc?

Kind regards,
Marc


Article: 95007
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Noway2" <no_spam_me2@hotmail.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 05:44:00 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
> The current US administration seems to be
> obsessed with investing in military adventures, while places like India have
> decided to invest in educating their people - which investment do you think
> will pay off better in 20 years?  It's all a matter of priorities.

It is no secrete that the US, both the mass populace and the government
administrations put far too little emphasis on education and this is
causing a declining society.  There is no way that as a society that
the people will be able to compete with anybody when they have the
highest illiteracy rate of the industrialized world.

I grew up near a major city that has one of the highest crime rates,
highest poverty rates, very low coverage of health care, some of the
worst schools in the nation but yet the city spends billions per year
on constructing new sports stadiums and entertainment districts.

Another thing that is absolutely amazing to me that so many people in
the US are without health care coverage, yet nothing is being done
about it.  By no means do I believe in giving a handout to the able
bodied who are just too lazy to get off their butts, but there are
still certain basic things that should be available to those who need
it and can't afford it.

These are just two examples of the priority problems in a society where
a D- student can make a fortune running around with a damned ball but
the honor student who studies hard can earn a median salary that is
barely livable.  As far as passing on knowledge, become a teacher and
you will earn a salary that is almost poverty level.

The US, both its people and its government need a serious change in
priorities and in attitude.


Article: 95008
Subject: Re: FPGA Journal Article
From: Brian Drummond <brian_drummond@btconnect.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:09:08 +0000 (UTC)
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On 19 Jan 2006 06:45:09 GMT, ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote:

>>>Also, just like the Java VM doesn't care what 
>>>underlying architecture it's running on, this sort of thing could potentially 
>>>make it easier to port designs between FPGA families... 
>>
>>But no easier than behavioural VHDL code, in my opinion.
>
>True.  The only gains might come when describing memories and other larger 
>blocks which tend to be different from family to family... but there are other 
>easier ways of 'genericisizing' those things too.

Indeed. Any such block should have a completely generic entity,
preferably with a generic architecture, which will at least work for
simulation. If that synthesises down to a million FFs instead of a BRAM,
you can always substitute architecture X or A as appropriate. With
configurations, if the tools support them properly.

- Brian

Article: 95009
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:41:32 -0700
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On 19 Jan 2006 22:29:21 -0800, fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:

[snip]
>Even in the US, with the median mortgage well over a half million $$s
>in silicon
>valley we find good professionals rapidly going broke and leaving the
>area for
>lower paying jobs in the midwest, and suddenly being able to afford a
>6,000sqft
>new home, on 35 acres, with a boat, RV, horses for the kids, and
>actually have
>money in the bank to take real vacations with each year .... fewer
>heart attacks
>from worry about loosing everything in the next down turn.
>
>http://www.newhomes.com/homedetail.jsp?regionid=1374&homeid=31352&siteid=1
>
>Compare that to a $250,000 home in east Palo Alto or Oakland.

They're all moving to Arizona and driving the prices up :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
|  Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
|  Phoenix, Arizona            Voice:(480)460-2350  |             |
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Article: 95010
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:45:57 -0700
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On 20 Jan 2006 05:44:00 -0800, "Noway2" <no_spam_me2@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[snip]
>
>These are just two examples of the priority problems in a society where
>a D- student can make a fortune running around with a damned ball but
>the honor student who studies hard can earn a median salary that is
>barely livable.  As far as passing on knowledge, become a teacher and
>you will earn a salary that is almost poverty level.
>
>The US, both its people and its government need a serious change in
>priorities and in attitude.

It's all about market.  Do you go to the ball games?  I don't.  If no
one attended the games guess what the salaries would be.

                                        ...Jim Thompson
-- 
|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
|  Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
|  Phoenix, Arizona            Voice:(480)460-2350  |             |
|  E-mail Address at Website     Fax:(480)460-2142  |  Brass Rat  |
|       http://www.analog-innovations.com           |    1962     |
             
     It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

Article: 95011
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Bryan Hackney <no@body.home>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:14:47 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> Bryan Hackney wrote:
> 
>>Simon Peacock wrote:
>>
>>>sooner or later the system will reach balance.. we will all earn less... and
>>>therefore eat less Big Macs.. so weigh less...  then we will all get paid
>>>less too and spend less ...
>>>
>>
>>There will be no balance.
>>
>>Europe is declining.
> 
> 
> Why do you think that?
> 

You're joking, right? You can start with an unsustainable social
support model, declining productivity (30 hour week), declining
native population, increasing illiterate immigrant population.

> 
>>Africa and the Middle East will never go anywhere.
> 
> 
> Why do you think that?
> 

And, um, what has Africa ever contributed to the world? What
has the Middle East contributed lately (excluding oil)?

[...]

> 
> I'd call you pompous twit. We had a renaissance in the west some six
> hundred years ago. It's still running - rather bumpily, and better in
> some areas than others - but we still keep on doing better in one area
> after another.
> 

Whatever keeps you going.


Article: 95012
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Bryan Hackney <no@body.home>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:19:17 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
larwe wrote:
> yusufilker@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>Eastern cultures are generally more fatalist(I do not know this word
>>describes what i mean), more contented with what they have.Unless you
>>awake them by an atomic bomb.
> 
> 
> Careful how you say this - remember, our (US) current government is
> running out of ideas on how to convince people we are "winning" a
> "war".
> 

Realistic suggestions on how to proceed into the next century welcome.
Suicide by paralysis is not an option for many people.

Article: 95013
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:26:43 +0000
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Bryan Hackney wrote:

> bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> > Bryan Hackney wrote:
> >
> >>Europe is declining.
> >
> > Why do you think that?
> ...............................
> declining productivity (30 hour week)

Where do you get the idea Europeans work a 30 hr week ?

Another rabid right wing bags of lies publication ?

Graham


Article: 95014
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Ancient_Hacker" <grg2@comcast.net>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:30:12 -0800
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Same thing could have been said at most any age:

(2000 BC)  "Those guys over the next hill are willing to chip rocks
into spearpoints for three berries a day!  Are we in danger of giving
away our advanced chipping technology!  We're doomed!

(1400 AD)  That Gutenberg is going to drive all our scribes into
starvation!

(1950) Those darned transistors are going to impoverish all those old
ladies in hairnets hand winding grid wires!

(1970) All those IC's are going to impoverish all those miniskirted
young ladies stuffing resistors into TV PC boards!

--------------------------

In case you don't get the drift--  change is continuous, temporarily
painful, but impels you to MOVE AHEAD, from chipping rocks, hand
scibing, hand-winding grids, hand-stuffing PC boards, etc.....


Article: 95015
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Chris.Gammell@gmail.com
Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:31:00 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I think the interesting thing in all of this is that the predominate
language still used is English. I think that speaks volumes to the
future of the industries. Until we have to start learning Mandarin or
Hindi, we're in good shape. However, you may want to start brushing up
on your character recognition and Bali-wood films now, because you KNOW
your customer base will also shift to where the money is going (India,
China, everywhere else where the new engineers are be educated and
STAYING). See ya!


Article: 95016
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Noway2" <no_spam_me2@hotmail.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:36:37 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
I have been to two ball games in my 34 years.  The first time was when
I was 8 years old and it was part of a cub scouts group.  The second
time, I was in high school and had a friend who was living with a
multi-millionaire who took us to a game and we sat in his loge, which
was probably a once in a life time experience.  Other than that, I may
be known to watch a Carolina Panthers game once in a while but thats
about it.

You certainly are correct though about it being a market issue.  The
same goes for any form of entertainment.


Article: 95017
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: Bryan Hackney <no@body.home>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:38:16 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Pooh Bear wrote:
> 
> Bryan Hackney wrote:
> 
> 
>>bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>>
>>>Bryan Hackney wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Europe is declining.
>>>
>>>Why do you think that?
>>
>>...............................
>>declining productivity (30 hour week)
> 
> 
> Where do you get the idea Europeans work a 30 hr week ?
> 
> Another rabid right wing bags of lies publication ?
> 
> Graham
> 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/22/world/main682341.shtml

35 then. Excuse me.

Article: 95018
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: buchty@atbode100.lrr.in.tum.de (Rainer Buchty)
Date: 20 Jan 2006 15:40:51 GMT
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In article <H77Af.7915$1J1.2928@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
 Bryan Hackney <no@body.home> writes:
|> You're joking, right? You can start with an unsustainable social
|> support model, declining productivity (30 hour week), declining
|> native population, increasing illiterate immigrant population.

30-hour week? Where did you get that from...

While we (in Germany) might have had some union-motivated experiments with 
the 35-hour week two decades ago, the usual contracts were 38,5- to 40-hour 
week. This dramatically changed during the last couple of years, so that 
you might get a 30-hour *salary* but work at least 42 hours, not including 
mandatory (and unpaid) overtime of course.

The happy ones still have old 38,5-hour contracts, but even as a civil
servant you will have at least 41-hour weeks these days.

Rainer

Article: 95019
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Lanarcam" <lanarcam1@yahoo.fr>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:43:25 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Bryan Hackney wrote:
> And, um, what has Africa ever contributed to the world? 

No idea?


Article: 95020
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:46:00 +0100
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"Bryan Hackney" <no@body.home> wrote in message
news:It7Af.7917$1J1.7074@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/22/world/main682341.shtml
>
> 35 then. Excuse me.

And they dropped it. Most countries in europe have a 38 to 40 hour work
week.

Meindert



Article: 95021
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "Meindert Sprang" <mhsprang@NOcustomSPAMware.nl>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:47:42 +0100
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"Lanarcam" <lanarcam1@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1137771805.545861.31220@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bryan Hackney wrote:
> > And, um, what has Africa ever contributed to the world?
>
> No idea?

You mean more than half the population of his own country ? :-)

Meindert



Article: 95022
Subject: VHDL Bus Macro for V2Pro
From: "Pasacco" <pasacco@gmail.com>
Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:48:22 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Dear

i am exercising a basic flow of partial configuration from xapp290.pdf
In the example (verilog), bm_4b_v2 component is used.

Problem is that I do not know VHDL component of Bus Macro for Virtex II
pro.
It will be nice if someone tell me name of component of Bus Macro and
how to instantiate it .

Thankyou in advance


Article: 95023
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:51:47 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:51:51 +0000, Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com>
wrote:

>Phil Tomson wrote:
>
>> As far as wages go: yes, the disparity is a problem.  We in the US (and 
>> Europe) have environmental, labor laws, ...they will also be able
>> to afford to desire a cleaner environment and safer workplaces...  A falling
>> standard of living, which to some extent we're already seeing (corporations 
>> defaulting on pension obligations, less people with health insurance, lower 
>> 'real' wages, record debt). .
>
>All this discussion of Eastern competition and no mention of capitalism. 
>It's what the capitalist system always does, always SAYS it does. It 
>will always chase the cheapest workforce and the cheapest supplies, like 
>it did in Northern England and South Wales in the 1800s, the sweatshops 
>of New York in the 1880s, Japan and Hong Kong on the 1950s and 60s, 
>Korea in the 80s, Malaysia, India, China.. it just sloshes about. Two 
>choices: think up another system or stop whinging.
>

In the sense that capitalism spreads wealth from the richest to the
poorest parts of the world, it's profoundly liberal.

John


Article: 95024
Subject: Re: OT:Shooting Ourselves in the Foot
From: "SioL" <Sio_spam_L@same.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:54:00 +0100
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
"Lanarcam" <lanarcam1@yahoo.fr> wrote in message news:1137771805.545861.31220@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bryan Hackney wrote:
>> And, um, what has Africa ever contributed to the world?
>
> No idea?

Homo Sapiens?

Supposedly the first  man or woman came from there.

-- 
Siol
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