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Article: 98925
Subject: Re: SerialATA with Virtex-II Pro
From: "Antti" <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 13:17:50 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
sure they would, but have you tried to purchase them !?

Antti


Article: 98926
Subject: Support software for XC3042
From: "J Silverman" <g1powermac@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:25:59 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi All,

I was able to get a bunch of Xilinx XC3042 FPGAs from a dealer and am trying to find if there is any support software out there still for the chip. I looked at the current ISE offerings from Xilinx, but none state they support the XC3042. Does anyone know of anything for the XC3042?

Thanks, J Silverman

Article: 98927
Subject: Re: for all those who have stopped listening, and are ranting now...
From: cs_posting@hotmail.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 13:26:57 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Peter Alfke wrote:
> Without EasyPath any production device with any known defect (that is
> not covered by an errata note) goes into the garbage can.
> That has been and will remain our policy, and I assume the policy of
> any reputable IC manufacturer.

Dodging the question.

What happens to devices run through the full (general application) test
program, which turn out to have single errors?

Are they retested for easy path use? or are they destroyed?


Article: 98928
Subject: Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....
From: fpga_toys@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 13:31:24 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Phil Hays wrote:
> It seems to me that testing by loading BIST designs still makes a lot
> of sense.  Using a BIST design, the RAMs, multipliers, LUTs and
> registers can be tested quickly.  This is the easy part of testing a
> FPGA.  There would be little gain in customizing these tests.

I agree Phil. The twist is that the customer can not take and use a
standard set of tests built for a fully functional part, otherwise it
will find and report all the untested errors creating a nightmare for
the field techs to sort out false positives. For field testing, the
tests really need to live inside the same set of qualified good
resources, which means customizing the tests for each qualified
easypath design, to stop the test from reporting errors on logic
resources not used.


Article: 98929
Subject: Re: SerialATA with Virtex-II Pro
From: Thomas Maaø Langås <tlan@stud.ntnu.no>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:38:46 +0000 (UTC)
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Antti <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com> wrote:
> sure they would, but have you tried to purchase them !?

I've contacted TaraCom now, at least.

-- 
Thomas

Article: 98930
Subject: Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....and can't stop ranting
From: fpga_toys@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 13:39:13 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Austin Lesea wrote:
> John,
>
> How much is Altera paying you?

Gee ... I've found that playing Devils Advocate would get me paid ....
how much should I be asking?


Article: 98931
Subject: Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....and can't stop ranting
From: fpga_toys@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 13:43:33 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Austin Lesea wrote:
> John,
>
> How much is Altera paying you?

Next time you are in Longmont drop me a note, and take me to lunch :)

Maybe some face to face time will allow the petty BS to fade away.


Article: 98932
Subject: Re: HWICAP with the Virtex II Pro. Anybody? Bueller?
From: Paul Hartke <phartke@Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:49:59 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
John Williams' "Partial Reconfiguration on Xilinx Devices" email list is
another resource:
http://www.cs.uq.edu.au/~jwilliams/mblaze-uclinux/Mailing_List/

The archive is available here:
http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~listarch/partial-reconfig/

scotto wrote:
> 
> Hello, Does anybody out there actually know how to set up HWICAP in EDK?
> Has
> anyone ever got this to work?
> 
> If you've ever looked into this, you know there's very little
> documentation on how to setup and use HWICAP. Would someone please post a
> C file instantiating, initializing, and perhaps even reading/writing a
> frame through ICAP? That would be extremely helpful.
> 
> I am but a lowely univerisy student, and as such get zero support from
> Xilinx
> on these or any other matters.
> 
> Thanks much, --scott

Article: 98933
Subject: Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....and can't stop ranting
From: fpga_toys@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 13:56:50 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:
> Austin Lesea wrote:
> > How much is Altera paying you?
> Next time you are in Longmont drop me a note, and take me to lunch :)
> Maybe some face to face time will allow the petty BS to fade away.

Be sure and bring a briefcase full (about 4K) of the reject XC4VLX200
parts so I can stay busy building the next version of my home
reconfigurable super computer :) That ought to keep me busy and off CAF
for several months, if not a year :)

It might even give Xilinx some usable marketing collateral when I'm
done, and we can talk about buying reject parts for profit afterward
too!!


Article: 98934
Subject: Re: Getting started w/ Aurora Core
From: Paul Hartke <phartke@Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:57:46 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
An example design for the ML321 board is automatically generated by
Coregen.

Another resource is the "Using High Speed Serial MGTs with the Aurora
IP" Quickstart targeting the XUPV2P board:
http://www.xilinx.com/univ/xupv2p.html

Paul

billu wrote:
> 
> Hi There,
> 
> I need some help getting started with the aurora core. I'm trying to
> implement a simple serial protocol/data transfer between trasceivers in
> Rocket IO ML321 board. Can I just use the customized aurora core
> (generated by Core generator) to implement the protocol. Or, does the
> core have to be integrated with some other existing design for it work.
> Alternatively, is a there sample reference design available to
> demonstrate a simple link.
> 
> Thx in advance,
> billu

Article: 98935
Subject: Re: Urgent Help Needed!!!!!
From: "Jeff Brower" <jbrower@signalogic.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:12:02 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
John-

> let me inform u that yur english sux in a way that is of ur own making
> and that probably reflects on your study abilities too.

This is spelled and constructed incorrectly.  It should be:

  let me inform u that ur english sux and proly reflects on ur study
  abilities 2

If you're going to use the emerging Internet chat / text messaging
dielect of English, then you have to get it right.  Otherwise younger
engineers -- and some very sharp ones too -- will simply have no
respect for your post.

Only half kidding :-)

-Jeff


Article: 98936
Subject: Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....and can't stop ranting
From: Austin Lesea <austin@xilinx.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:23:12 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
John,

Just wanted to be sure you were not on their pay roll.

I have been made a fool of once before thinking I was talking to a 
potential customer when it was someone who was an actual competing 
company employee...boy did I feel stupid.

Austin

Article: 98937
Subject: Re: for all those who have stopped listening, and are ranting now...
From: Eric Smith <eric@brouhaha.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:24:54 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:
> If Ford decided to dump perfectly good Lincon's at 80% quoting they
> were saving QC costs for the occasional scratch or miss alighed seat
> frame, or what ever ... defectives ... we would laugh our heads off and
> realize that it was a marketing ploy to dump product below market.

That's not a good analogy for Easypath.  Ford can repair manufacturing
defects at relatively low cost, compared to the total cost of the product.

Xilinx *might* be able to repair some bad dice by using FIB, but the
cost of doing so would significantly exceed the original cost of the
die, and although the result might be functional, it could not be
guaranteed to have comparable reliability to a normal part.  Thus it
could not be sold except perhaps as an unqualified engineering sample.

Thus there is no motivation to do any sort of repair as part of the
production process, but rather to do everything possible to increase
the yield of fully functional parts.  Still, for a large die, despite
their best efforts there will be some parts that are not fully
functional, but very nearly so (>99.999%).  Unfortunately these cannot
be sold as normal FPGA product.

With Easypath the customer is not informed of the specific nature of the
defect(s) of the parts they receive; the parts might even be 100%
functional, but are not guaranteed as such.  In fact Xilinx might not
even be aware of all of the defects; they have tested the part against
vectors that verify that it meets all relevant specifications with
regard only to the specific customer configuration bitstream.

Finally, they aren't "dumping", which would be selling below cost.  They
are likely making quite a tidy profit on Easypath, since although the
price is lower than for a fully tested FPGA, the cost is also lower.
Time on a semiconductor tester is very expensive, thus anything that
reduced the test time significantly reduces the total part cost.

Article: 98938
Subject: Re: Urgent Help Needed!!!!!
From: "John_H" <johnhandwork@mail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:26:14 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
"Jeff Brower" <jbrower@signalogic.com> wrote in message 
news:1142633522.291161.217990@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> If you're going to use the emerging Internet chat / text messaging
> dielect of English, then you have to get it right.  Otherwise younger
> engineers -- and some very sharp ones too -- will simply have no
> respect for your post.
>
> Only half kidding :-)
>
> -Jeff

Any idea where to find classes on chatonics in the Pacific Northwest? 



Article: 98939
Subject: Re: for all those who have stopped listening, and are ranting now...
From: Eric Smith <eric@brouhaha.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:28:48 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
fpga_toys@yahoo.com writes:
> hmmm just like putting a yellow sticker on $10m of perfectly good
> parts, and calling them lemons to justify a sale below cost?

Where do you come up with this "below cost" idea?  I don't see any
evidence that supports it.

> It also seems like a perfectly good scam for your production department
> to take perfectly good tested parts, and ship them under the easypath
> program for a huge kickback.

A kickback?  From whom?

> How can you montor employee fraud with
> such a dual labeling program with 80% discounts?

Presumably Xilinx employs standard manufacturing traceability
procedures.  It is not obvious that there is any more potential for
employee theft or fraud with Easypath than with their standard products.

Why do you care?  If there were some unscrupulous employees, presumably
Xilinx would find and fix the problem themselves, with support from the
authorities as necessary.

Why do you have an axe to grind about Easypath?

Article: 98940
Subject: Re: spartan-3e starter kit
From: Uwe Bonnes <bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:32:56 +0000 (UTC)
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Antti <Antti.Lukats@xilant.com> wrote:
> gosh! just take a buzzer enabled multimeter and sit down for one
> evning, there are some wires between the cypressFX2 and coolrunner,
> that is it basically. the usb cable does not contain any preprogrammed
> firmware (except usb vid/pid,,) so you just duplicate it, then force
> impact to perform PLD update and ready you are !

> sure xilinx doesnt document how to do this, but it really isnt that
> complicated.

I'd be glad if you share your experience ;-)

-- 
Uwe Bonnes                bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

Institut fuer Kernphysik  Schlossgartenstrasse 9  64289 Darmstadt
--------- Tel. 06151 162516 -------- Fax. 06151 164321 ----------

Article: 98941
Subject: Re: ISE 8.1 linux 64bit license key
From: Eric Smith <eric@brouhaha.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:33:53 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
marcobuffa@gmail.com writes:
> I've installed ISE 8.1 for linux (32 bit) on a Debian machine with no
> pain at all, it works fine.
> 
> Now I'm trying to install the same release on a dual core AMD64
> machine, with debian 64 bit, and all works fine until I need to insert
> the serial code of the product, wich is ever refused. Note that I'm
> using the _same_ serial I used for the 32bit machine, and our Xilinx
> man said that's right.

If you're using ISE Foundation (the paid version), your key should work
for both 32-bit and 64-bit.

For Webpack, only 32-bit is supported.

If you have trouble with getting 64-bit installed, as a temporary
workaround it is fairly easy to force an installation of the 32-bit
version on a 64-bit machine.

Article: 98942
Subject: Re: dynamic partial reconfiguration of Xilinx Virtex-4 FPGAs
From: "Valerios" <valerios@chb.net.ua>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:35:58 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi
I am a student, write a diploma about application of  partial
reconfiguration. Would not you to give me materials where is the
fast-acting with partial reconfiguration and without it compared?
Beforehand thankful.


Article: 98943
Subject: Re: Where are you heading?
From: "Peter Alfke" <peter@xilinx.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:39:34 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

rickman wrote:
 Now I realize that
> Xilinx as a whole is not a lot different than the image you present and
> it bothers me.  It bothers me enough that I now have a strong
> preference for any other FPGA manufacturer.
>
> I think the fact that no one at Xilinx seems to have a problem with
> your posts like this one says a lot about the company.

Rickman, Austin is not alone in posting outspoken comments. You are no
slouch yourself !
Luckily, Xilinx is not a monolithic dictatorship, and the company
trusts its senior employees to post in this newsgroup without
censorship and without reprimands.

Austin and I give fast response, to the best of our knowledge (which is
quite extensive), but we are not always politically correct, and both
of us have a temper that can indeed be provoked by certain stupidities
repeatedly voiced on this newsgroup. We handle complex and sometimes
controversial subjects with engagement and also some humor.
We are not the official "Voice of Xilinx". You get that from Marketing
and in press releases.

I would be amazed if any smart engineer would base his component choice
on Austin's typing style. We would, however, appreciate if you base it
on the technical information you get in this newsgoup.
Peter Alfke, Xilinx Applications


Article: 98944
Subject: Re: for all those who have stopped listening, and are ranting now...
From: fpga_toys@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:39:41 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

Eric Smith wrote:
> fpga_toys@yahoo.com wrote:
> > If Ford decided to dump perfectly good Lincon's at 80% quoting they
> > were saving QC costs for the occasional scratch or miss alighed seat
> > frame, or what ever ... defectives ... we would laugh our heads off and
> > realize that it was a marketing ploy to dump product below market.
>
> That's not a good analogy for Easypath.  Ford can repair manufacturing
> defects at relatively low cost, compared to the total cost of the product.

Actually the point was Ford not even checking, and shipping it AS-IS, a
little stronger point that Xilinx partially testing.

> Xilinx *might* be able to repair some bad dice by using FIB, but the
> cost of doing so would significantly exceed the original cost of the
> die, and although the result might be functional, it could not be
> guaranteed to have comparable reliability to a normal part.  Thus it
> could not be sold except perhaps as an unqualified engineering sample.

Repair of defects is completely a different topic.

> Finally, they aren't "dumping", which would be selling below cost.  They
> are likely making quite a tidy profit on Easypath, since although the
> price is lower than for a fully tested FPGA, the cost is also lower.
> Time on a semiconductor tester is very expensive, thus anything that
> reduced the test time significantly reduces the total part cost.

Tell the stock holders that when they put sellable "bad" dice in the
trash can, and ship good dice which were not fully tested for a heavy
discount, that CAN drop below the "cost" of a good die. There are two
lost profits in this business plan ... shipping good die at less than
cost, and trashing usable die that would qualify under an easypath
shipment. The sum of these two failures, is easily worth a significant
fraction of Xilinx's current revenue, and the management finders fee
(AKA bounus) for correcting this is probably more than most people will
retire with.

My finders fee is a lot less .... a briefcase full of discarded
XC4VLX200's which currently don't have any value and they probably have
to pay to get destroyed and hauled off.


Article: 98945
Subject: Re: for all those who believe in ASICs....and can't stop ranting
From: fpga_toys@yahoo.com
Date: 17 Mar 2006 14:45:51 -0800
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Austin Lesea wrote:
> Just wanted to be sure you were not on their pay roll.
>
> I have been made a fool of once before thinking I was talking to a
> potential customer when it was someone who was an actual competing
> company employee...boy did I feel stupid.

Ouch ... talk about getting baited :(

Nope ... I don't even know an Altera person. I do know or have met
several Xilinx people who have always been great people to deal with.
Every time I've been against the wall, there's been a Xilinx FAE to
help. Field staff always seem to have great customer skills.


Article: 98946
Subject: Re: Urgent Help Needed!!!!!
From: "Chauhan" <coolsaroj@gmail.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 15:41:42 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Well Jeff Brower  is absolutely right.Ppl r here to discuss the
technical problems and not to discuss the formalities we need to make .
John u also asked where Palnitkar said that task is synthesizable?
Refer" 2nd edition of Verilog HDL by Palnitkar,Chapter 14 ,Section
14.3.1 ,Page No. 305" u will find that Task is INDEED SYNTHESIZABLE.

And for your kind information I got my code synthesized...Cheers.
And I have used Task in my code and it got synthesized.If u need my
code i will send it 2 u.
No Hard feelings John.


Article: 98947
Subject: Re: dynamic partial reconfiguration of Xilinx Virtex-4 FPGAs
From: Paul Hartke <phartke@Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:09:27 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
John Williams' "Partial Reconfiguration on Xilinx Devices" email list is
another resource:
http://www.cs.uq.edu.au/~jwilliams/mblaze-uclinux/Mailing_List/

The archive is available here:
http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~listarch/partial-reconfig/

Valerios wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I am a student, write a diploma about application of  partial
> reconfiguration. Would not you to give me materials where is the
> fast-acting with partial reconfiguration and without it compared?
> Beforehand thankful.

Article: 98948
Subject: Re: Urgent Help Needed!!!!!
From: "John_H" <johnhandwork@mail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:23:03 GMT
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
"Chauhan" <coolsaroj@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1142638902.235823.151710@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Well Jeff Brower  is absolutely right.Ppl r here to discuss the
> technical problems and not to discuss the formalities we need to make .
> John u also asked where Palnitkar said that task is synthesizable?
> Refer" 2nd edition of Verilog HDL by Palnitkar,Chapter 14 ,Section
> 14.3.1 ,Page No. 305" u will find that Task is INDEED SYNTHESIZABLE.
>
> And for your kind information I got my code synthesized...Cheers.
> And I have used Task in my code and it got synthesized.If u need my
> code i will send it 2 u.
> No Hard feelings John.

Different John.  JJ mentioned the syntesizables, I asked about chatonics.
You are *seriously* detracting from the technical aspects of discussion; I 
had a bit of a headache before trying to decipher your chatter.  It's 
seriously grotesque.  Why? 



Article: 98949
Subject: Re: Urgent Help Needed!!!!!
From: "Chauhan" <coolsaroj@gmail.com>
Date: 17 Mar 2006 16:29:57 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Well the above post was adressed not 2 u but 2 JJ definetly.Sorry for
giving u headache.




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