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I have been evaluating this lately... and I see from the install that Xilinx still isn't acting very friendly on internet bandwidth. Anybody notice that the single file is 800 M.... but the individually file download is 1.8 G? I think its time for Xilinx to have a good look at this. How about looking at the way cygwin does its updates? BZIP2 is used to reduce the file size to manageable amounts and streaming keeps the bandwidth usage high. May I make a suggestion to any Xilinx people out there that they look into this. It would be nice if a combination of TAR and BZIP2 were used to group the small text (and other) files and compress them into approx 40k files (or larger) and optionally send two at once (so the bandwidth is maximised). My reasoning is there is a 1 GIG monthly limit in NZ... and then its 64k for the rest of the month. My two cents SimonArticle: 95376
In my experience (eg, I didn't quite do it right) a keep attribute is optimised away when it comes to MAP or PAR. I can't recall which tool was to blame... My solution was to assign the signals to an output pin via a reduction operator, and then to unroute the output pin from the rest of the FPGA after implementation. I then had to disable DRC for Bitgen, but it was the only error. ed.Article: 95377
HoustonEngineer wrote:
>
> Here is an observation - what do y'all think ?
>
> 1 - Indian / Chinese / East European /etc people are at least as smart and
> hardworking as Westerner's / Japanese
> 2 - However, they work for something like $10% of what we will (or could
> live on)
That's changing. Wages for technology workers in India are rising at a
very high rate. Soon, they will close in on us, both in terms of wages
as well as living standards. Then, they will become just as good
customers for our producers as we are for theirs.
China is a different story. Being a controlled economy, they are holding
their exchange rate artificially low. We aren't complaining, because it
allows US investors to pick up Chinese assets at bargain basement
prices. Take a look at the financing behind Lenovo 'buying' IBM's PC
division for an example. Once they have moved sufficient capital out of
the USA, they will give the go-ahead to the Chinese gov't to cut the
yuan loose. The exchange rate jump alone will make them billions.
> 3 - Our major advantage (in terms of these newsgroups) is our experience
> with these subjects/technologies/methods/products
Not really. Most of this is going overseas, if it hasn't already. Our
local aircraft company is scheduled to begin building their next model
and the local paper just ran a story about how they haven't figured out
the manufacturing plan yet. After all those junkets to Japan, to learn
'The Toyota Way' and they still don't have a clue.
> 4 - On these newsgroups, many of the questions originate from people in
> India, China or Eastern Europe and are answered by Westerners
> 5 - Are we shooting ourselves in the foot ?
Yes. With a Glock (Austrian made).
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Article: 95378On 22 Jan 2006 19:30:45 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote: >The web site doesn't bother posting figures less than 0.1% and - as far >as I can work out - most of the EU hasn't got enough juvenile >malnutrition to register. .. and anorexia nervosa would be responsible for most cases anyway. PaulArticle: 95379
In article <vt67t19uv73df6pqvgnce4dhh6gjjlmj02@4ax.com>, Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 21 Jan 2006 20:10:16 GMT, ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote: > >>In article <6gh4t1d9bsi0sfs3s0ltrvfd8nuur8pfd9@4ax.com>, >>Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>On 21 Jan 2006 09:21:06 GMT, ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote: >>> >>>>In article <3fjAf.9305$bF.2150@dukeread07>, >>>>Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com> wrote: >>>>>Phil Tomson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Though, I do wonder: once we have an XDL parser, what's the next step? > >>>One option would be help with floorplanning or placement. >>> >>>My ideas on this are ill-defined, but here are a couple of >>>suggestions... >>>(2) take a post-PAR design which fails timings and a possibly hand >>>generated (*) list of "problem" components and try to improve placement >>>for those specific locations. Again, let Xilinx router take over... >>> >>Can XDL go back into PAR? > >No, but it can translate back to a new .ncd file. Which WILL go back >into PAR - look at "re-entrant routing" and/or "guided design" in the >documentation. > >>>A tool which took a failed PAR and its TWR and had, say, 80% chance of >>>fixing the failing paths quite quickly (i.e. not overnight!) might win a >>>few friends... >> >>But again, how would we get back into PAR from XDL, can you offer more >>details? I suppose if PAR doesn't accept XDL, that it must accept a list of >>critical nets and we would generate that based on the knowledge extracted from >>the XDL and timing report. > >I don't think you need more than the above - and I haven't tried it >since Foundation 3.1. It seemed to work but I don't recall actually >modifying the XDL. > >>>For bonus points, let it replicate that FF (or LUT in a carry chain) >>>that REALLY needs to be in two opposite corners of the chip at once! > >The more I think about it, the more this one appeals. It's simple, >pragmatic, and fairly testable. > Should probably start a development wiki somewhere so we can document some of these ideas better. That'll have to wait 2 or 3 weeks until after my current projects are finished... >>>>...and here's a concern I have: >>>>If an open source ecosystem were to grow up around >>>>XDL might Xilinx decide that they are uncomfortable with that >>>If XDL helps sell Brand X chips ... >>> >>>Another valid concern would be - if the open source tools actually DID >>>embarrass the in-house ones (say, achieve 10% better fmax 50% of the >>>time), what do Xilinx do? >>Offer us jobs (telecommuting jobs where we don't have to move to the Bay Area, >>please ;-)? Maybe just a cash reward would suffice ;-) > >Well, who knows? ;-) >Look at the record so far ... what happened to Neocad, whoever wrote >PlanAhead, and now AccelChip. >Even the late lamented XC6200 originally came from a Scottish startup, >http://algotronix.com/people/tom/album.html >and I honestly believe Xilinx tried to make it fly for a few years. > Well, those were companies.... I'd prefer to stay on the open source side for most of this, but maybe there's a way to do a startup that's totally open source (?) PhilArticle: 95380
For me, the problem with the extremely slow GUI is still there. Funny enough, the version 7 of ISE was running fine on RedHat Linux 2.4.21. Now that we upgraded to 8.1, it takes ISE 3 Minutes (!) to start beyond the splash screen. All interaction is extremely slow but the commandline tools are very fast. Is there anything I am missing? Do I need a newer version of Java / Qt / whatever? I would be thankful for any suggestions. Cheers, JoachimArticle: 95381
I wrote: > What? No traffic lights and vending machines? :-) > > It's always entertaining when people pop up in various newsgroups > (including this one), wanting help with their vending machine project, > and insisting that it isn't homework. Alex Gibson wrote: > But why would you set one of these as an assignment as there are > lots of such projects on the net? If I were an instructor, I certainly wouldn't use those assignments.Article: 95382
Dear all, I am using Virtex 4 from Xillinx, and I really missed the clock for LVDS. So, should I transfer data to LVDS each time posedge of the clock. The clock should be LVDS clock, LTTL clock or any clock is possible. Many thanks Frank "Antti Lukats" <antti@openchip.org> wrote in message news:dr0n2t$7i5$1@online.de... > Maxim, ADI and TI LVDS DACs all require LVDS clock to latch the data, unless > you provide some meaningful data on the output and suitable clock do not > expect anything. > > you said "assume" all wires and DAC are working, well assuming that all > should work as long as you made some meaningful (as per DAC datasheet spec) > singals on the LVDS data and clock outputs. > > Antti > >Article: 95383
"Reg Edwards" <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> writes: > > There are many millions of unemployed Europeans who work 0 hours per > week. Well, this is not specific to Europe. Seen on the cbsnews web site << Ford Motor Co., hurt by falling sales of sport utility vehicles, is expected to close plants and cut at least 25,000 jobs in North America as part of a restructuring program to be announced Monday. >> -- Michel BILLAUD billaud@labri.fr LABRI-Université Bordeaux I tel 05 4000 6922 / 05 5684 5792 351, cours de la Libération http://www.labri.fr/~billaud 33405 Talence (FRANCE)Article: 95384
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> schreef in bericht news:1137987045.839508.7650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Good for Slovenia! The Netherlands is acquiring a culture of eating > well - we now have three restaurants with three Michelin stars - but > there is a long way to go. It a Dutch person recommends a restaurant to > you, you can be fairly sure that the decor, ambience and service will > all be okay, but the food can be total rubbish. It is indeed a long way to go, if the goal is three Michelin star food for everyone, everyday. Sheesh! ;) -- Thanks, Frank. (remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)Article: 95385
Hi Peter It's nice that you mentioned. But truely that I don't know much, so I provided a little bit informations. But I think other informations are not so important: LVDS are standard, and it does the same way in different boards. The most important thing that I don't know is how it works. Antti said that it needs a clock.... Many thanks Frank. "Peter Alfke" <alfke@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:1137958167.597749.115710@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Frank, be serious: > You do not tell us which FPGA family and which board. You don't report > that you have tried a different output standard. You mention little > about your design and environment. > How can you possibly expect any meaningful help? > It's like calling a doctor: "What should I do, it hurts!" > Peter Alfke >Article: 95386
"Frank Schreiber" <frankschr@googlemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:dr25fb$ii6$1@anderson.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de... > Hi Peter > It's nice that you mentioned. But truely that I don't know much, so I > provided a little bit informations. > But I think other informations are not so important: LVDS are standard, > and > it does the same way in different boards. The most important thing that I > don't know is how it works. Antti said that it needs a clock.... > Many thanks think of LVDS that you use 2 wires an not 1 for 1 signal for LVDS its irrelevant if the signal is clock or data or whatever what I said is that if you have DAC chip that uses LVDS standard then this DAC chip does need a LVDS clock to latch the data, but its only my guess, you really did not provide enough info. -- Antti Lukats http://www.xilant.comArticle: 95387
Steve at fivetrees wrote: > "Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message > news:pan.2006.01.21.18.23.21.576155@example.net... >>>> And you know where the '0' comes from? >>> From India of course :-) same with the numbers we now use :-) >> If they came from India, howcome they're called "Arabic numerals"? > > The concept of zero is generally considered to have originated in India. > Once again, Wikipedia is your friend: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_%28number%29 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system > > Steve > http://www.fivetrees.com > > The Mayans in South America also had the concept of zero, even earlier than in India IIRC. But I don't think it spread much - certainly not to Europe or Asia.Article: 95388
So, in this case should I provide 8 bits for data, and 1 bits for clock ? Any clock else ? Frank > > > think of LVDS that you use 2 wires an not 1 for 1 signal > > for LVDS its irrelevant if the signal is clock or data or whatever > > what I said is that if you have DAC chip that uses LVDS standard then this > DAC chip does need a LVDS clock to latch the data, but its only my guess, > you really did not provide enough info. > > > -- > Antti Lukats > http://www.xilant.com > >Article: 95389
"Frank Schreiber" <frankschr@googlemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:dr26uq$n0i$1@anderson.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de... > So, > in this case should I provide 8 bits for data, and 1 bits for clock ? > Any clock else ? > Frank >> if you have a DAC chip with 8 bit DDR LVDS then you have 8 bit data in FPGA and 1 bit clock, and there will be 16 actual data wires(8 +- pairs)) from FPGA and 2 clock lines (1 +- pair) but you can not expect to get help if you dont say what is the thing that is connnected to FPGA, I assume its an high speed digital analog converter, but only you know it for sure, others can only guess -- Antti Lukats http://www.xilant.comArticle: 95390
Pooh Bear wrote: > > Steve at fivetrees wrote: > >> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:43D26733.4C03D13E@hotmail.com... >>> Can someone here please advise me why there's this current hysteria about >>> bird >>> flu ? I expect bird flu has existed since the dawn of time. What's so >>> dangerous >>> about it in 2005/6 ? >>> >>> I assume it's just media hype. They found something 'new' to worry us >>> about. >> You might want to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flu_Epidemic >> >> "The Spanish Flu Pandemic, also known as La Grippe, or La Pesadilla, was an >> unusually severe and deadly strain of avian influenza, a viral infectious >> disease, that killed some 50 million to 100 million people worldwide over >> about a year in 1918 and 1919. It is thought to have been one of the most >> deadly pandemics so far in human history. It was caused by the H1N1 type of >> influenza virus, which is similar to bird flu of today, mainly H5N1 and >> H5N2." >> >> Virii don't just "exist since the dawn of time". They mutate. > > I'm aware of the 1918/9 pandemic. What no-one seems to be able to answer is the > ' why panic *now* ? ' question. > > Nothing has changed significantly it seems. > > Graham > Actually, it's a good thing that there is a bit of panic this time, although I don't think anything particularly dangerous to humans will come of the current bird flu. If it mutates (either by simple mutation, or by cross-mutating with a human flu virus in a host such as a pig) to be able to spread from human to human, then the chances are pretty good that the mutation will also weaken it to being about as dangerous as more common flu's. We might be unlucky and see a dangerous result, but I doubt it. However, the current reaction is a good thing, as there are a number of things happening that will give us longer-term benefits. There should be a gradual change in the lifestyles of east Asian farmers, separating them somewhat from their animals, which will greatly improve their health in general. New methods of mass-producing vaccines and anti-viral drugs are being developed, and states are investing more in production facilities for such drugs. The WHO and various authorities are doing a lot of thinking and planning about how to treat massive outbreaks. All this is, of course, virtually useless if the current bird flu becomes a dangerous pandemic - the processes will take about five or ten years to become effective. But for future diseases, as well as treating current diseases more effectively (through mass vaccination and cheaper treatments), it will help.Article: 95391
John Larkin wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:40:59 -0500, Spehro Pefhany > <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: > > >>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:36:54 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:11:30 +0000, Pooh Bear >>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:13:22 -0500, Spehro Pefhany >>>>><speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Any country that admits as many immigrants as we do, will have a high >>>>>>>illiteracy rate. Besides, some countries just lie about it. Do you >>>>>>>really think Cuba's literacy rate is 99%? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>>>Ten times the illiteracy of Iceland? It's possible, although the CIA >>>>>>only admits to similar literacy levels to the US (97%), which is far >>>>>>worse than what they say about France and Germany (99%). They also say >>>>>>99.8% for Poland and 99% for the UK. Cuba has sunk a lot of resources >>>>>>into literacy since the sixties, and have exported their training >>>>>>methods to greatly improve literacy in some of the poorer Mexican >>>>>>states. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I don't think a 99% literacy rate is neurologically possible, much >>>>>less 99.9. >>>> >>>>Depends on how you define literacy I guess. The ability to read a >>>>McDonald's menu perhaps ? >>>> >>>>Graham >>> >>>Naaah! How to press the buttons on a McD cash register ;-) >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> >>Don't the buttons have pictures of the food on them? > > > > That's nothing. My computer screen, and all the programs I run, are > covered with little picture buttons. You don't have to be literate to > operate a word processor program! > > John the company I worked for in MA had everything in a big relational database (stock control, RMAs etc). the guy who controlled it was dyslexic. For the first year or so, If I wanted a part it was quicker for me to walk to the production building and browse thru the stockroom, looking in boxes, than to try and find things using the database. Eventually I learned how he routinely mis-spelled things, and could then use the database. My CEO didnt seem to think it was a problem. I also did a time-and-motion study of the RMA area, where my buddy Bob fixed stuff. He is an amazing tech, far quicker than I'll ever be. time to fix - typ. 10-15 mins. writing up the form - 5 mins. typing in the resultant data - 1~2 hours, hunt-and-peck. My suggestion - hire a (pretty) school leaver who can type, and pay her minimum wage to type up his written docs. The implemented solution? 2 more techs.... Cheers TerryArticle: 95392
"Brian Davis" <brimdavis@aol.com> wrote in message news:1137969873.337334.188210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Symon wrote: >> >> As penance, I'll still get the dessert AND write a little article about >> it >> for the FAQ. (The fpga-org.com FAQ that is!) >> > Probably a bit OT for comp.arch.fpga; might I suggest instead the > FAQ at schwarzwaldkirschtortemitschlagsahne.org > > Brian > :-) My only (lame) excuse is that I should stop posting on Saturday mornings now that 24 hr licensing has arrived! Cheers, Syms.Article: 95393
Frank, From your IP address I guess you're a Physics student at university. I'd suggest you go down the corridor to the EE department and ask someone there who will be able to help you face to face. Even if they can't answer your question, they could probably tell you what to post here to get an answer. HTH and good luck, Syms. "Frank Schreiber" <frankschr@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:dr0fec$kvu$1@anderson.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de... > Dear all > I'm starting with LVDS. > My task is sending 8-bits signal to LVDS Transmitter port on my board. > I declared a 8 bits vector, assigned pins, and changed values in 8-bits > signal, but nothing happended in my oscilloscope. Assume that pins-out are > right assigned, all wires and DAC are working perfectly. > Can anyone advise me, how to make it works. > Many thanks > Frank > >Article: 95394
just for fun I wrote down how I see it possible to have different FPGAs to be cut out from single wafer covered with completly repeating pattern http://help.xilant.com/RAA I am not including the text here as I may edit the original even before the post is appearing in the NG -- Antti Lukats http://www.xilant.comArticle: 95395
Frank Bemelman wrote: > <bill.sloman@ieee.org> schreef in bericht > news:1137987045.839508.7650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > > > Good for Slovenia! The Netherlands is acquiring a culture of eating > > well - we now have three restaurants with three Michelin stars - but > > there is a long way to go. It a Dutch person recommends a restaurant to > > you, you can be fairly sure that the decor, ambience and service will > > all be okay, but the food can be total rubbish. > > It is indeed a long way to go, if the goal is three Michelin star food > for everyone, everyday. > > Sheesh! > > ;) I'd be happy if you autochtones could reliably tell the difference between one-star and two-star food. Since three-star food has to surprise you, providing it every day would be asking a lot of the supplier, and consuming it would be very wearing for the consumer. -- Bill Sloman, NijmegenArticle: 95396
I am compelled to agree with Peter here. The post is undoubtedly irrelevant, arguably stupid - certainly ignorant. There are xenophobic generalisations, and by about the 80th post I was convinced it was racist. I go to comp.arch.fpga in the hope of finding a thread that might aid me in my research, or educate me on an area of FPGA design of which I'm ignorant. I do not expect to see posts from people espousing racist anthropoligical theories. It seems to me that Peter has earned his right to criticise this post through the countless hours he has spent helping comp.arch.fpga to become a respected resource to the FPGA community.Article: 95397
On 23 Jan 2006 08:05:37 GMT, ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote: >In article <vt67t19uv73df6pqvgnce4dhh6gjjlmj02@4ax.com>, >Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>On 21 Jan 2006 20:10:16 GMT, ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote: >> >>>In article <6gh4t1d9bsi0sfs3s0ltrvfd8nuur8pfd9@4ax.com>, >>>Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>>On 21 Jan 2006 09:21:06 GMT, ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote: >>>> >>>>>In article <3fjAf.9305$bF.2150@dukeread07>, >>>>>Ray Andraka <ray@andraka.com> wrote: >>>>>>Phil Tomson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Though, I do wonder: once we have an XDL parser, what's the next step? >>>> >>>>For bonus points, let it replicate that FF (or LUT in a carry chain) >>>>that REALLY needs to be in two opposite corners of the chip at once! >> >>The more I think about it, the more this one appeals. It's simple, >>pragmatic, and fairly testable. >> > >Should probably start a development wiki somewhere so we can document some of >these ideas better. That'll have to wait 2 or 3 weeks until after my current >projects are finished... then they'll probably be finished ahead of mine :-( >>>>what do Xilinx do? >>>Offer us jobs (telecommuting jobs where we don't have to move to the Bay Area, >>>please ;-)? Maybe just a cash reward would suffice ;-) >> >>Well, who knows? ;-) >>Look at the record so far ... what happened to Neocad, whoever wrote >>PlanAhead, and now AccelChip. >Well, those were companies.... I'd prefer to stay on the open source side for >most of this, but maybe there's a way to do a startup that's totally open >source (?) If we ever had to cross that bridge ... the core team might have to found something Xilinx could buy out? IMO there should be no conflict between the continued existence of a technology in open-source form using XDL, and the same or derived technology streamlined into the push-button flow using NCD. Xilinx use open-source tools for PPC development already. - BrianArticle: 95398
Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:22:12 -0800, John Larkin > <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > > >On 22 Jan 2006 00:34:14 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote: > > > >> > >>The distribution is the big if. Children's weights will obviously not > >>lie on a Gaussian distribution - there will be a lot more very fat > >>children than very skinny children, because gross obesity takes a long > >>time to kill you, while starvation can do for a kid in a few weeks. > > > > > >Being thin doesn't mean a kid is starving to death. It just means > >they're skinny. Both my wife and I were very skinny as kids; luckily, > >she still is. > > > >> > >>As John Larkin has point out, most of the variability in the U.S. > >>population is going to be concentrated in the fat kids. > >> > > > >The US has an ethnic mix very different from Europe's. Native > >Americans and Pacific islanders tend to get fat on Western diets. > >Southeast asians and filipinos tend to be small and thin. The > >distribution will still be close to normal (you can't avoid the > >central limit theorem) but will be wider than in an ethnically uniform > >population. > > > >But if the below-2-sigma part of a population is defined as > >malnourished, then all populations have equal proportion of > >malnourished. > > > >>> It doesn't mean that those 0.6% are or are not malnourished. > >> > >>Seems very likely that they are. Children starve a lot fasster than > >>adults. > > > >The children who die of malnutrition in the USA are overwhelmingly > >victims of profound illness, generally birth defects. One rarely > >reads, say, of a lunatic parent who allows a child to die from lack of > >care. We have AFDC, food stamps, free meal centers, charities, and > >child protective agencies that look out for kids. Far more dangerous > >is being killed by trauma, overwhelmingly likely to be inflicted by a > >step-parent or other non-blood-relative. > > > >But what is this obsession with US juvenile nutrition? It's a weird, > >recurrent theme. > > > >John > > Slow-man is running out of things to harp about and is now grasping at > straws. Jim Thompson hasn't a clue about the subject under discussion, but we get his two cents worth anyway. I had hoped that he was still busy trying to get my security cleaances revoked, but it seems now he wants to be futile someplace else. -- Bill Sloman, NijmegenArticle: 95399
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:46:44 +0100, the renowned "Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote: ><bill.sloman@ieee.org> schreef in bericht >news:1137987045.839508.7650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... >> >> Good for Slovenia! The Netherlands is acquiring a culture of eating >> well - we now have three restaurants with three Michelin stars - but >> there is a long way to go. It a Dutch person recommends a restaurant to >> you, you can be fairly sure that the decor, ambience and service will >> all be okay, but the food can be total rubbish. > >It is indeed a long way to go, if the goal is three Michelin star food >for everyone, everyday. > >Sheesh! > >;) Doesn't sound like a bad goal. Instead of food insecurity you'd have to worry about the prevalence of gout. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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