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Article: 77150
Subject: Re: Synchronous design and power consumption
From: "RobJ" <rsefton@abc.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:12:08 -0800
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RobJ wrote:
> Klaus Schleisiek wrote:
>> I'm talking battery operated missions here. Yes, I am interested in
>> 10 mWatts savings.
>>
>
> I think your best bet then is to get an FPGA eval board and run some
> experiments. Not with your real design. Just build a design with a
> bunch of counters running at different rates. Then try a) vs. b) and
> measure the actual core current consumption. You've got me curious
> now. If you do it please post your results.
>
> Rob

After poking around a little I've come to these conclusions:

1. I don't know enough about the details of FPGA power consumption to even 
comment on it.
2. FPGAs are not a good choice for very-low-power battery-operated 
applications.

Bowing out of this thread.

Rob 



Article: 77151
Subject: sdram core in EDK
From: "tortiosedundee@yahoo.com" <tortoisedundee@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:59:00 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello all:

I am sorry for troubling you for something this trivial, but I am new to
EDK.
I have instanced a generic sdram controller for a MicroBlaze on a Spartan 3.
The problem is that the refresh is not functioning. The memory buss is
totally
quiescent except when reads or writes are occurring. I am sure there is some
initialization command or signal I am overlooking.

Thanks,

Fayette



Article: 77152
Subject: Re: Using EDK libraries in ISE
From: "Harish" <harish.vutukuru@gmail.com>
Date: 25 Dec 2004 18:21:11 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,

When I try to synthesize OPB_ZBT controller its asking for a library
common_v1_00_a. When I checked the EDK folder I found there are two
folders with that name. One of which is in the compiled models
directory and the other in pcores directory. I copied both these into
my working directory and tried to synthesize it but it still gives me
the same error message.

ERROR:HDLParsers:3317 - c:/testdesigns/opb_zbt/opb_zbt_controller.vhd
Line 53.  Library common_v1_00_a cannot be found.
ERROR:HDLParsers:3014 - c:/testdesigns/opb_zbt/opb_zbt_controller.vhd
Line 54. Library unit common_v1_00_a is not available in library work.
ERROR: XST failed

I am not sure if this is even the correct way to go about it. I think I
am missing something obvious. Can you point me out in the right
direction?

Thanks
Harish



avrbasic wrote:
> set up compile scripts and run tools from shell or commandline.
> attempting to load them to project navigotor is likely to cause
problems.
> similar things exists with LEON3 system
>
> it compiles with no problem from script but is not possible to load
into
> project navigator, PN simple messes up with the libraries.
>
> Antti
>
>
> "Harish" <harish.vutukuru@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1103852073.061564.154760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Hello all,
> >
> > How can we simulate the EDK IP cores in ISE? I created a new
project in
> > ISE and  copied the vhdl files that comes with EDK onto a new file
and
> > tried to synthesize it. However the synthesis failed as the library
> > referred to in the design was not seen by ISE. Can anyone tell me
how
> > to overcome this?
> >
> > Thanks
> >


Article: 77153
Subject: Re: SATA/SAS designs with FPGA
From: "avrbasic" <avrbasic@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 09:33:35 +0100
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"Purvesh" <purveshkhona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104002898.931299.49860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Hi All,
>
> Anyone implemented SATA/SAS with FPGAs. Seems that neither rocketIO nor
> MGT in stratix GX are capable of handling OOB signalling of SATA/SAS.
>
> My question is : Which serdes did you use to work around the OOB
> problem ?
>
> -Purvesh
>
http://xilinx.openchip.org/ChipScope/

scroll down and look.
SATA OOB with real SATA chip - on VP20 board no external components rocketIO
direct to SATA.
can be done.

Antti



Article: 77154
Subject: recommendations for a FIFO..
From: "Moti" <moti@terasync.net>
Date: 26 Dec 2004 02:36:07 -0800
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Hi all,

I need to build a 120 cells FIFO (cell = 24 bits) and I wondered what
is the best way of doing it..
My FIFO should work like a shift register, i.e. - each write strobe it
should load a new value to the 1'st cell and discard the 120'th value.

I'm using the Xilinx Spartan 2e FPGA.
The write strobe frequency is 1Hz - so frequency is not an issue.

p.s. - I'm fimiliar with the CORE GENERATOR FIFO but I dont know if it
is the best solution.

Thanks in advance, Moti.


Article: 77155
Subject: Re: PS: Synchronous design and power consumption
From: "Jeroen" <jayjay.1974@xs4all.nl>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:55:00 +0100
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"Purvesh" <purveshkhona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104001659.687813.300080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I don't have hard nos. either but definately clock running all the time
> is going to consume maximum power. As far as clock gating is concerned,
> its is definately worth the effort if you want to have battery
> operation with FPGAs, but that means that you won't be able to use
> clock routing resources since you will be generating gated clock. Be
> extremely careful in this case - I would recommed running formal
> verification tool and also run gate level simulations with SDF.
>
> If you don't mind waiting, I believe Stratix II or Virtex IV is going
> to have true gated clock support. If you use clock enable, you are only
> saving flop switching power.
>
> -Purvesh
>

FPGA's usually have some external dedicated clock inputs. What about gating
those (externally) with a gate? Then it's true gating.

Jeroen



Article: 77156
Subject: USB JTAG programmers?
From: randomdude@gmail.com (Alan Randomdude)
Date: 26 Dec 2004 15:33:27 -0800
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Hi there.

I've been programming using a parallel byteBlaster-type lead,
attatched to an old 486, via a network connection to my laptop. This
is because my laptop is devoid of parallel or serial ports (oh, the
foresight). I hear I can't use USB to Parallel adaptors (arse!) and I
can't imagine me finding a pcmcia parallel adaptor (though I could
make one..?) and looking on alteras site reveals they want about
£150/$300usd for their USB baster. Nads to that - Anyone know of
anywhere selling a usb programmer for sensible (hobbyist) amounts? Or
a way out of my situation? Thanks.

-Alan / randomdude

Article: 77157
Subject: vvp problem
From: "Shreyas Kulkarni" <shyran@gmail.com>
Date: 26 Dec 2004 18:06:45 -0800
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hi there,

i have got a problem regarding simulation of my verilog source with gnu
toolz.

the source file compiles properly with iverilog. but when i invoke the
'vvp', it dosn't output a 'vcd' file required for gtkwave.

i m running these gnu eda tools in native windows environment and not
in linux/cygwin.

the commands that i give are -

iverilog -o my.vvp my.v
vvp my.vvp -vcd

without any vcd file output.
what can be the possible problem?

TIA
Shreyas Kulkarni


Article: 77158
Subject: Anomalous Behaviour of Quartus 4.0 simulation
From: vbishtei@hotmail.com (vadim)
Date: 26 Dec 2004 19:07:22 -0800
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I have encountered strange inconsistensies in simulation results of my
design. First of all, the simulation results drastically change if a
dummy port is connected or disconnected to an output of some logic
block (my design is done fully in BDF).

While simulating, suddenly, after I changed a name of one signal,
other signal's values have drastically changed. I couldn't trace the
problem but after I have disconnected an output port from that signal
it suddenly started working as before and its values actually appeared
on the disconected output port and showed up in the simulation.

I have a 4 bit register that clocks-in a value. For some reason, again
after modofying unrelated block, the register stopped clocking-in the
value and its output was always stuck at 0000. After endless hours I
just decided to add another register in parallel to see if it will
clock-in the data. To my surprise, the original register suddenly
started working again.

I am currently stuck with another strange problem and feeling a little
frustrated...

Has anyone expereinced anything similar ???  Is there something wrong
I might be doing ?

Article: 77159
Subject: Doubt on DDR SDRAM read/write operation sequence.
From: raghurash@rediffmail.com (Raghavendra)
Date: 26 Dec 2004 23:03:38 -0800
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Hi all,
   I activate row R1 and Bank B1.After time Trcd read from Bank B1 and
Column C1.Suppose next I want to read from the same row R1 but
different Bank B2 should I precharge the row then issue a new Active
command or issue a read command with Bank B2 or should I issue new
Active command with Row R1 and bank B2 then issue read command.

Please throw light on it.

Thanks in advance...

Raghavnedra.S

Article: 77160
Subject: newbie in fpga, sincerely look for guidance
From: Carson Pun <carson@ieee.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:44:54 GMT
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Dear all,

    I am a newbie in FPGA. I only know verilog coding, and may you guys 
help me to kick start on learning FPGA? like which book to read, and the 
basic "toys" or equipment (like howto connect fpga with a desktop)

    thanx in advance!

Carson

Article: 77161
Subject: Re: Doubt on DDR SDRAM read/write operation sequence.
From: Tommy Thorn <foobar@nowhere.void>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:50:50 GMT
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Raghavendra wrote:
> Hi all,
>    I activate row R1 and Bank B1.After time Trcd read from Bank B1 and
> Column C1.Suppose next I want to read from the same row R1 but
> different Bank B2 should I precharge the row then issue a new Active
> command or issue a read command with Bank B2 or should I issue new
> Active command with Row R1 and bank B2 then issue read command.
> 
> Please throw light on it.

The way to think about it is that each bank is a separate DRAM chip 
which can be closed (precharged) or open on a particular row.  So, the 
fact that you switch to the same row in a different bank is completely 
irrelevant.  What matters is the state of that bank.

Now what probably could have confused you is that a lot of simple SDRAM 
controllers (such as previous version from XESS) only track the 
currently active bank, but AFAIR the lastest actually track each bank 
and can avoid reopening the row when not strictly needed.  One of the 
nice benefits of this is fast access for multiple memory streams 
(sequential memory accesses) as long as they hit in different banks.

Hope that helped,
Tommy

Article: 77162
Subject: AHB VHDL code
From: praveenkumar1979@rediffmail.com (praveen)
Date: 27 Dec 2004 00:59:58 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hello,
1.Can anyone provide me with some AMBA AHB VHDL models?or is there
anyone who has designed one?


2. What is role played by wrapper???

Thanks and regards
Praveen

Article: 77163
Subject: interfacing DDR memory to a spartan-3
From: do_not_reply_to_this_addr@yahoo.com
Date: 27 Dec 2004 01:00:20 -0800
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
Hi

In order to connect a DDR memory component (not the DIMM) to spartan-3

- Is it better to use DCI on spartan-3 pins ? If so is there an example
?
- What sort of termination is required at the memory end.
- Is there a reference schemetic ?

Thanks
Sumit


Article: 77164
Subject: Re: interfacing DDR memory to a spartan-3
From: "Vitus" <vitus.maps@inbox.ru>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:44:30 +0300
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>

> Hi
>
> In order to connect a DDR memory component (not the DIMM) to spartan-3
>
> - Is it better to use DCI on spartan-3 pins ? If so is there an example
> ?
> - What sort of termination is required at the memory end.
> - Is there a reference schemetic ?
>
> Thanks
> Sumit
>


Read XAPP200. I've build my own controller on base of that in XAPP and it
works fairly well at 266 MHz.




Article: 77165
Subject: CIC filter implementation using FPGA
From: "Sam" <samiayunus1@yahoo.com>
Date: 27 Dec 2004 03:59:54 -0800
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Hello to all,

I've followed a Hogenauer architecture.
Can anyone help me out that what clock frequency should be provided for
a 3-ordered CIC decimator, I've used 3 combs and 2 integrator stages in
my design alongwith a rate changer.  

Thanks,
Samia


Article: 77166
Subject: [Xilinx ISE6.3 SP3] WebUpdate dies at 84% ...
From: meng.engineering@bluewin.ch (Markus Meng)
Date: 27 Dec 2004 04:36:25 -0800
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Hi all,

any hint why the built in web-update is dying
at 84% download?

Best Regards
Markus

Article: 77167
Subject: Noise Margins of low voltage core FPGAs translates into Jitter Issues
From: Austin Lesea <austin@xilinx.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:57:38 -0800
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Jim,

I'll put a new title on this.

The internal logic is running off a lower voltage, so yes, it must 
manifest itself in some fashion.

How it makes itself known is that with 100 mV of ground bounce, you now 
have more jitter internal to the core than you would have had with 100 
mV on a higher voltage core device.

More jitter means that the timing margins may have to be larger (more 
slack), or you have to manage the ground bounce, clock jitter, etc. to a 
greater extent than you may have had to in the past.

This is a major headache, as the speed of the devices only gets faster, 
yet the jitter (may) get larger -- the two are incompatible!

A great deal of design work is going into the management of jitter in 
our devices (ie differential clock trees), as well as prediction of 
jitter for a given application (software tools).

Right now, the only way to guess at how much jitter will be present is 
to assume a worst case asynchronous multi-clock design environment with 
less than "best practices" bypassing, and IO's operating at the SSO 
limits. This worst case assumption leads to numbers that may be far too 
conservative for your application (but at least we errored on the side 
of caution, and better performance is achievable).

Use of LVDS IO's, synchronous clock domains, switching some logic on 
altenate clock phases, best bypassing and decoupling practices, etc. are 
all able to provide even better jitter numbers than the worst case ones. 
  Differences of 10:1 from your case to the worst case is not unusual.

Contact your local Xilinx FAE for details and help on the subject of 
jitter, if you are designing high performance (tightly constrained) FPGAs.

Austin


Jim George wrote:
> 
-snip-
> 
> I think this question is more about the worse noise margin of 
> low-voltage devices than thier MTBF. I've heard the same question being 
> asked by designers of military products of 1.5V FPGAs like the V2Pro. 
> Any info?
> 
> -Jim

Article: 77168
Subject: Re: interfacing DDR memory to a spartan-3
From: Shalin Sheth <Shalin.Sheth@xilinx.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:36:44 -0800
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Sumit,

Check out Application XAPP768c "Interfacing Spartan–3 Devices With 166 
MHz or 333 Mb/s DDR SDRAM Memories" which can be accessed after 
registering for it on:
http://www.xilinx.com/memory

Cheers,
Shalin-

do_not_reply_to_this_addr@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi
> 
> In order to connect a DDR memory component (not the DIMM) to spartan-3
> 
> - Is it better to use DCI on spartan-3 pins ? If so is there an example
> ?
> - What sort of termination is required at the memory end.
> - Is there a reference schemetic ?
> 
> Thanks
> Sumit
> 

Article: 77169
Subject: MicroBlaze with MMU
From: "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:15:11 -0700
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Hi all,

I think I remember sombody writing here, that the MicroBlaze gets
an MMU in the next release.

Anybody out here knows any details ?

Cheers & thanks



Article: 77170
Subject: Re: [Xilinx ISE6.3 SP3] WebUpdate dies at 84% ...
From: "vax, 9000" <vax9000@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:13:01 -0500
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Markus Meng wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> any hint why the built in web-update is dying
> at 84% download?
I don't know your case, but mine (Xilinx XC95144XL) once had the problem of
dying in the middle of downloading. The problem was that the power supply
voltage was not correct. It was caused by a faulty low drop voltage
regulator. 

vax, 9000

> 
> Best Regards
> Markus


Article: 77171
Subject: Re: [Xilinx ISE6.3 SP3] WebUpdate dies at 84% ...
From: "vax, 9000" <vax9000@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:14:07 -0500
Links: << >>  << T >>  << A >>
vax, 9000 wrote:

> Markus Meng wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> any hint why the built in web-update is dying
>> at 84% download?
> I don't know your case, but mine (Xilinx XC95144XL) once had the problem
> of dying in the middle of downloading. The problem was that the power
> supply voltage was not correct. It was caused by a faulty low drop voltage
> regulator.
Sorry I misread your question. Please discard my post.

vax, 9000



Article: 77172
Subject: PicoBlaze implementation
From: visepp@yahoo.de (Martin)
Date: 28 Dec 2004 03:06:53 -0800
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I've a general question regarding PicoBlaze IP core from Xilinx:
If I'm using PicoBlaze as a controller on my design: Who programs the
FPGA which contains PicoBlaze?
Normally e.g. a uP loads the FPGA with the neccesary configuration
file. But if
the FPGA itselfs is the controller (e.g. PicoBlaze), how do I get the
configuration file into the FPGA?
Silly question, isn't it?

Thanks for your help
Martin

Article: 77173
Subject: Re: PicoBlaze implementation
From: Sylvain Munaut <tnt_at_246tNt_dot_com@reducespam.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:55:17 +0100
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Martin wrote:
> I've a general question regarding PicoBlaze IP core from Xilinx:
> If I'm using PicoBlaze as a controller on my design: Who programs the
> FPGA which contains PicoBlaze?
> Normally e.g. a uP loads the FPGA with the neccesary configuration
> file. But if
> the FPGA itselfs is the controller (e.g. PicoBlaze), how do I get the
> configuration file into the FPGA?
> Silly question, isn't it?
> 
> Thanks for your help
> Martin

You can use a xilinx PROM that the FPGA will read on power-up.



Article: 77174
Subject: References for FPGA implementation of OS-CFAR
From: vizziee@yahoo.com
Date: 28 Dec 2004 03:56:49 -0800
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Hi All,

I am in search of some good references on FPGA implementation of
Order-Statistic CFAR (constant false alarm rate) detector in radars.

If anyone has any idea or information, please send-in the references.
Thanx in advance.




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